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Model 65 218 Bee Factory Stock?
August 14, 2021
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So I bought this rifle for my girlfriend as she has several guns with maple stocks and it’s just kind of her thing. But, in reading the Madis Winchester Book recently I found something that made my eyes pop a bit. On page 515 in the ‘Extras and Special Order Features’ section it quite briefly mentions “Other woods which were used on special order were English, Italian or other imported walnut, maple (tiger or bird’s eye), orange wood or other fruitwoods such as cherry”. That is pretty much how they left it and I’ve found no mention of maple stocks anywhere else in the book. 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I do believe this to be Tiger Maple aka Flame Maple. This gun cannot be lettered so I’m hoping somebody such as Mr. Hartman can give me a definitive “no” to the question of it being original. Model 65’s are typically described as having semi-beavertail forends, and this one is indeed slightly beavertailed. The serrated steel buttplate fits true to the furniture (the photos are a bit deceiving). I have no doubt that the rifle has been reblued and would not be surprised if the wood had been refinished at some point in the past as well. Honestly, for all I know the wood could be newer than my truck; I’ve only owned this gun for 2 years. She’s a great shooter, just trying to see if she’s special. Serial No. 3523

 

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August 14, 2021
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Robert,

The rifle in question is not an original Model 65.  All original Model 65 rifles are found in the 999600 – 1007608 serial number range.  The rifle you have is either a very early Model 1892, or an early production Model 53.  The factory marking on the upper tang will positively identify it.

Based on what I am seeing in the pictures, this rifle is completely non-original, including the stocks… sorry for the bad news.

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August 14, 2021
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No bad news! That’s what I was expecting and honestly I have no issue with it being a first year 1892 even if it is completely unoriginal. 

I do have questions about it not being a Model 65 though. All the markings appear to be correct per Madis and it does say the Model 65s were in rare cases not numbered with the 1892’s. The markings on the left side of the barrel are correct to the book. The upper tang marking is indeed the same as a Model 53, but the book does not state anything about the tang mark of the 65 so I’m ignorant on that part. 

As always, thank you for the education.

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Also, it does have the Mail Order Parts Proof Mark “P” along with the Winchester Proof Mark on the barrel. So it would be my understanding that if this is an early model 1892 the barrel has most definitely been replaced. 

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Looks like a M53 receiver with a M65 barrel.   FYI – Model 65’s were a pistol grip whereas this is a straight stock. A great looking shooter …….. enjoy it. 

~Gary~

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August 14, 2021
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R. Dean said
Also, it does have the Mail Order Parts Proof Mark “P” along with the Winchester Proof Mark on the barrel. So it would be my understanding that if this is an early model 1892 the barrel has most definitely been replaced.   

The tang marking identifies it as a Model 53 rifle that has been rebarreled with a mail order Model 65 barrel. Per the factory records, the receiver was manufactured in May, 1925.

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