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Hi all,

I was able to take advantage of some nice weather today and shoot a group of pretty nice 64’s.  Also had the opportunity to get in some wildlife viewing along the way.  

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Hi Mark, A genuine thanks for your “Model 64” information video. “Within proper context” a positive contribution,concernng that great rifle.  Yet, of contrast, your “good weather facilitated” presentation, giving rise to my own “storm warning” frank couterpoint inspired!  

I’m concerned about any You Tube (aka YT) basic info-video instructional format incursion into a fundamentally differing bi-directional personalized question & answer (Q&A) forum.  Such particularly as Q&A hosted by a special & unique gathering of experts (and other enthusiast followers as myself).  Such YT incursion giving rise to the prospect of  fundamental Forum reformatting.  Inclusive of introducing such as a novice level instructional presentation modes. “Oil & water” to me as gundamentlly differing formats mixed!   Yet more!  The “foot in door”.  “YT as “single click away!” 

I’m a traditionalist! I don’t believe any info-video lecture format appropriate here as portrayed.  If only a Weblink offered ‘in logically appropriate’ Q&A reference, seeming quite OK.  But Thread crafted as exclusively proposing to springboard to info-video…  To me entirely inappropriate.  My most basic concern, “the YT door” general informational presentation format as once opened, a ‘precedent’.  Such, as threat of fundamentally altering as degrading a traditional Q&A type Forum structure, function and purpose. 

Seems to me the fundamental question of ‘whence the WCA Forums future’!  To encourage/facilitate/permit/suffer; whatever such as a “new & improved” WCA Forum direction from “as we know it” lost! The fundamantal YT strategy as “capturing audiences”.  Once within it’s strategic paramenters, offering wider vistas of interest. Such as deemphasizing non-YT dimensions! 

Admission of “grumpy old man here”!  Interest in preserving many institutions fading into history.  My small statement here.  Yet such advocating preserving a great, unique, highly respected Winchester enthsiast institution.  Here seeking to bring attention of those with the stripes to decide/detrmine “whence this Forum future direction to move”  To You Tube or Not to You Tube; that is the question… 

Whew… and to all a good night!

John

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 Mark,

 As a past collector of 64’s, your video made me wish I hadn’t sold them. Enjoy watching you shoot these guns, keep it up. Thanks Mark! T/R

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Mark,  Watch out!  You have too much fun. Somehow the government will find a way to tax it!  Great fun, once again.  Tim

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Thanks for the compliments, guys.

John, sorry if this video somehow offended you.  The reason I got started in this video-making project was to promote and expand our gun collecting hobby and WACA to a new generation of collectors.  If we don’t act to bring new enthusiasts to collecting, the hobby withers and dies.  I have not monetized the channel and don’t make a dime off it, in spite of the fact that it takes a tremendous amount of time, effort and money to produce them.  The overwhelming feedback I’ve gotten is from people who had lost interest in vintage firearms and have had that interest reignited and are now actively collecting again.  There have also been a fair number of people who have joined WACA after watching.  No disrespect intended, but if you don’t care for them, you can simply not click on them and let those watch who do enjoy them. Mark 

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Mark you have hit the nail squarely on the head ! 

unfortunately to many Gun/Rifle clubs are run for old men by old men ( I include myself)

The clubs in the UK don’t encourage new members and as such are slowly shrinking in membership and attendance, I assume it’s similar in the American continent ?

We need to spend time reaching out to attract and teach younger generations how to appreciate and safely handle the firearms we cherish before electronic games replace them 

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Mark,

Great job, and thanks for the plug on my article.  I am actually working on a “revised” edition of it similar to the one I recently did for the Model 71.

Because we are on the subject of the Model 64, the table below is the current status of the research survey. In regards to the 32-40, I now have (4) of them documented as factory original (with about the same number of Fakes).  The total number of Model 64s I have currently documented in the survey is now at 3,211 guns (almost 5% of the total production).

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Caliber Totals % of Total Variations Totals  % of Total
30 W.C.F. 39,582 59.27% Sporting Rifles 39,832 59.64%
32 W.S. 18,006 26.96% Deer Rifles 17,331 25.95%
219 ZIPPER 5,710 8.55% Total Rifles 57,162 85.59%
25-35 W.C.F. 3,208 4.80% 20″ Rifle (Carbine) 6,114 9.16%
32-40 86 0.13% 20″ Deer Rifle (Carbine) 3,507 5.25%
38-55 192 0.29% Total Carbines 9,621 14.41%
  66,783 100.00%   66,783 100%

Do I have the information on your Father-in-law’s collection?

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Mark, I’m with the majority.  I love your videos.

YouTube has been cracking down on certain types of videos.  Many of the sites related to the modern guns have had problems with YouTube.  YouTube does not like videos that show the details of the how to type.  Many have set up their own site that you have to sign into to show the details of loading.  I’m not sure if YouTube is making money on these sites but I wouldn’t be surprised.

Keep it up and we will watch.

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Mark you have hit the nail squarely on the head ! 

unfortunately to many Gun/Rifle clubs are run for old men by old men ( I include myself)

The clubs in the UK don’t encourage new members and as such are slowly shrinking in membership and attendance, I assume it’s similar in the American continent ?

We need to spend time reaching out to attract and teach younger generations how to appreciate and safely handle the firearms we cherish before electronic games replace them   

Hi Mark!  Question asked & answered!  Your favor!  Moreover, knowledgably by names I respect.  My purpose to raise an issue, task accomplished!  A few remarks please addressing yours as bowing to need to move on.

Your video exemplar here, the only one of yours I’ve seen. I didn’t view as “techie”. Rather, primarily model intro-basic.  That’s not to condemn your efforts or ‘dis’ your quality of presentation in any respect… “Other than…” Foot in door context of reformatting this Forum in terms noted.  You Tube as part of Google, has enough diversionary traction now. For forums with policy to invite YT diversionary links…  “Another world!”  I believe such diversion format to be ‘novel’ in terms of unadopted by any other of the gun forums with which I’m familiar!  So far as “new blood” absolutely and my having advocated such as reflected in catering to the “post ’64” crowd of whome numbers ever increase!  

But so much for all that, “the moving finger writes and having writ moves on…”  

Good luck & God bless!  

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In regards to the 32-40, I now have (4) of them documented as factory original (with about the same number of Fakes).  The total number of Model 64s I have currently documented in the survey is now at 3,211 guns (almost 5% of the total production).

Do I have the information on your Father-in-law’s collection?

Bert  

Bert,

I’ve been looking for a good 38-55 for years.  Now I’m going to have to add a model 64 in 32-40 to the list of guns to look for.Confused On the bright side, it’d make a great episode if I ever get lucky enough to put that lineup together.

I don’t believe I’ve sent the info on all of his 64’s to you.  I’ll get the info together and send it.  Mark 

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I would like to encourage Mark to make as many of his YouTube videos as possible. I enjoyed every one and I have subscribed just so I don’t miss one. It takes a special talent to produce, edit, and upload content. I applaud the effort and I’m grateful you have chosen to share your knowledge with those of us comparative neophytes in your viewing audience. 

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I would like to encourage Mark to make as many of his YouTube videos as possible. I enjoyed every one and I have subscribed just so I don’t miss one. It takes a special talent to produce, edit, and upload content. I applaud the effort and I’m grateful you have chosen to share your knowledge with those of us comparative neophytes in your viewing audience.   

Thanks a bunch, Jim!  Much appreciated.  Mark

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Thanks Mark!  I enjoyed the video and I learned something new.  I’ve never owned a Model 64 but I just might fancy one.  

I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder

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Good job, Mark! Thanks for making these videos, with all the silly videos making big bucks for their makers I wish there was some way you could at least recover your costs and a little for your time. Whether I like YouTube as a concept I can’t argue that your videos will reach new prospective collectors and that is good for all collectors. We can attract new collectors or watch as we all die off and the last few standing get all the guns. 

I’ve got a bone to pick with you (and Bert). Wink I’ve never felt my lever gun collection was incomplete without a 64 (or 54 or 55). You have upset that apple cart but the fix could be fun. Enjoy that pretty weather, gonna get ugly around here next few days. My neighbors lose their minds when we get snow and ice. I suppose I better put the loader on my tractor, could get some use out of it.

 

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Hi all,

I was able to take advantage of some nice weather today and shoot a group of pretty nice 64’s.  Also had the opportunity to get in some wildlife viewing along the way.  

Mark

  

 I always watch the videos you put on the Forum and enjoy them – the scenery and the wildlife is always a plus. I have always liked the Model 64 and over the years owned quite a few of them. Many years ago I was talking to a young guy that was looking at a display of lever action Winchesters I had at a show. He said he really had a passion for the lever guns but most nice condition guns, especially the early models were out of his price range. I suggested 64’s and told him when you considered standard grade guns, Deer Rifles, the various calibers, barrel lengths and special order features, he could collect for a long time and not get any two that were the same. I talked to that same guy a few months back and he said he now has about 20 of them – they fulfill his need to collect and keeps the wife happy because he does not break the bank. Keep the videos coming and this part of the audience will keep watching them.

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Burt,

Please inform that fellow that there is a research project (survey) in progress to document the Model 64, and that I am still looking for more information. I intend to write & publish an updated article that delves more deeply into the history and production of the Model 64 (similar to the recent revised article I did for the Model 71).

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 Thanks again for another great video,Mark.Wish I lived closer.Maybe be could help out with the videos and maybe get a chance to shoot some of those great rifles.Wink

 The Model 64 is my favourite rifle.I have a number of them,all 24 inch rifles in standard and deer rifle versions,in .30-30 Winchester and .32 Winchester Special.

 Would very much like to have a Deer Rifle short rifle and some of the other calibres.So far I have not come across any in the condition I would like ,at the cost I would like to pay.FrownStill have some nice ones to enjoy to look at and shoot.So I consider myself very lucky. Smile

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Awesome video Mark. Always waiting for the next one. Thanks. 

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On Jan. 19 I went to a local LGS mostly for entertainment than anything. They tend to get a lot of vintage and antique guns. I saw a rifle I wasn’t familiar with and asked to see it. I was handed a Winchester Model 64. As soon as I shouldered it, had that OMG!I gotta git me one a deese! moments. The sights come instantly to my eye. The rifle comes up quick and hangs on target beautifully. The rifle appeared to have been handled little and shot even less. It seems to be as it came from the factory without mods. or repairs. The bore is crisp and shiny. The action and breach show no signs of wear. I bought it. Of course, I had to wait the obligatory 10 day Kalifornia harassment period. Went home and started to research. Right away I found Ken’s very well done YouTube video, which came out the same day I purchased this little gem. Which, also, led me to this sight. 

This rifle is a standard version in 30WCF. se# 1494613. 

I would like some advice. I would like to find a period correct receiver sight. I’m thinkin’ Lyman 56. From what I’ve read, adding a sight and plugging the dovetail would diminish it’s value. However, it would increase it’s utility and value to me. I’m not a collector nor, do I buy to resell. However, I do feel a strong sense of responsibility-more like a caretaker than an owner.

I would appreciate any input. 

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