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May 27, 2023 - 3:23 pm
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We have a Model 1894 rifle with 1X markings above the serial number 4342 and on the lower frame in front of the trigger. What is the meaning of these markings? Duplicate serial number??

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It is very unlikely that the markings you describe have anything to do with a duplicate serial number.  Winchester did not begin using the “X” suffix to identify a duplicate serial number until the early 1940s (Model 94 serial numbers > 1261000).

Can you post (or send me) pictures of the markings on your Model 1894?

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Thanks Bert. I just emailed the pictures to you.

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Here are the pictures.

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As I suspected, neither marking is indicative of a duplicate serial number.  I do not believe that the “1X” marking is factory original. Why or who applied it is a mystery. 

The marking in front of the trigger also does not appear to be factory applied, though it is in the same location that Winchester inspectors did (on later production guns) stamp their marks.

Based on what I can see, both markings are extraneous to the rifle.  Which caliber is it?  Is it a First or a Second Model?

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Thanks a lot Bert. Caliber is 32-40. barrel is 26″ full octagon, full magazine. We aren’t sure how to tell the difference between first & second model.

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Have you considered this is Roman numeral 9? Where are the other 8. Don

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fredh46 said
Thanks a lot Bert. Caliber is 32-40. barrel is 26″ full octagon, full magazine. We aren’t sure how to tell the difference between first & second model.

Based on the fact that it is a 32-40, it is a Second Model.

This is what a First Model looks like…

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And this is what a Second Model looks like…

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Note that the screw locations are different.

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Bert’s pictures of the left side of both the First and Second Models are perfect examples of the forging marks found on those guns.

A little more subtle on the right side.

Very nice Bert.

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Interesting mark, appears to have been to struck using a very small cold chisel. One consideration would be that given the age of that rifle it is a mans “mark” so to speak. just mt 2 cents.

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