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March 20, 2009
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Hello all,
We are fairly familiar when there is a bit of time between the serial number application date and when the actual fully assembled rifle finally made it into the warehouse and subsequently shipped out. This example popped up on Gunbroker this morning. The receiver was serialized on October 31, 1905 but it took almost 11 years before the receiver was used to make up the full rifle and was shipped out the next day. The fact that the SRC has a set trigger may have something to do with this. So far I have found 141 Model 1892 rifles with set triggers. ONLY 8 of those are SRC or carbine (without sling ring) configurations so they are definitely rare. When I first saw the SN and then the fact that the caliber stamp and barrel address stamp were both on the left side of the barrel versus being located on the top of the barrel something did not fit. Thankfully a copy of the letter proved the time lag. The location of the caliber stamp is also VERY unique being below and forward of the rear sight dovetail versus behind it. https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/1198728119
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
April 15, 2005
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I find them quite interesting when there is a long lag time between the three event dates.
This is one of my Single Shot rifles. It apparently sat in the warehouse for so long (nearly 10-years) that it needed an “R&R” before it actually sold (Shipped) from the warehouse.
Bert
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December 9, 2002
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Michael,
I find both of these very interesting as you stated it does bring up some interesting point that we’ve hit on in the past.
Bert,
To me this 85 says a lot about Winchesters Quality control, that we don’t see today. IMO!
tONY
April 15, 2005
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Anthony said
Michael,
I find both of these very interesting as you stated it does bring up some interesting point that we’ve hit on in the past.
Bert,
To me this 85 says a lot about Winchesters Quality control, that we don’t see today. IMO!
tONY
This is the rifle and it is a 30 U.S. (a.k.a. 30-40 Krag). I put the Lyman No. 103 Micrometer tang sight on it. It never had a rear sight on it.
Bert
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July 14, 2016
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twobit said
Hello all,
We are fairly familiar when there is a bit of time between the serial number application date and when the actual fully assembled rifle finally made it into the warehouse and subsequently shipped out. This example popped up on Gunbroker this morning. The receiver was serialized on October 31, 1905 but it took almost 11 years before the receiver was used to make up the full rifle and was shipped out the next day. The fact that the SRC has a set trigger may have something to do with this. So far I have found 141 Model 1892 rifles with set triggers. ONLY 8 of those are SRC or carbine configurations so they are definitely rare. When I first saw the SN and then the fact that the caliber stamp and barrel address stamp were both on the left side of the barrel versus being located on the top of the barrel something did not fit. Thankfully a copy of the letter proved the time lag. The location of the caliber stamp is also VERY unique being below and forward of the rear sight dovetail versus behind it. https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/1198728119
Michael
Great post Michael.
How many have you documented with this forward caliber stamping? I have never seen one.
Chris
A man can never have too many WINCHESTERS...
July 8, 2012
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Michael,
That’s an interesting carbine. Just goes to show Winchester would build what the customer wanted in those days. How do you feel about the starting price of $5K?
Al
March 20, 2009
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tionesta1 said
Michael,
That’s an interesting carbine. Just goes to show Winchester would build what the customer wanted in those days. How do you feel about the starting price of $5K?
Al
Al,
My position on the “opening bid” is that you are paying $2500 for a set trigger and an extremely rare configuration because of that. Without the trigger it’s a $2500 rifle at best.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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