March 20, 2009
OfflineMaybe the third time is the charm for this post!!
Hello all,
In my research of the Model 1892 rifles I have found several instances of repetitively marked rifles which apparently belonged to various entities across the planet. Some examples are the Stinger and Daisy rifles shipped to Australian retailers. The “China Navigation” marked carbines are another. This thread will deal with the “Policia de Santa Fe” which apparently were re chambered and altered fro use by the law enforcement department in the province of Santa Fe in Argentina. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Province Over the years I have assembled a small subset of 35 SRC’s which are uniquely marked and altered. From work so far I have found that many of these were eventually imported into France and can be found around Europe. I have also found a number of examples here in the US and in Australia.
What I know so far is that they all started as 44 WCF chambered SRC’s. The rifles were re-chambered for the 45ACP cartridge which apparently was done to match the side arms caliber of the law enforcement departments. Some of the French rifles were subsequently stamped .45 LC since the .45 ACP is considered a “military caliber” and its use is restricted. The re-chambering necessitated altering the tail end of the magazine and the receiver internal parts. The barrel and magazine are shortened to a 16 inch configuration. Sling attachments were added to the left side of the butt stock and the rear barrel band on the fore end. The muzzle end of the barrel was turned down to a smaller diameter so that the barrel band would still fit and the front sight was repositioned.
The serial number range is from 15479 all the way up to 996101. The early guns have very large SN gaps between them but later examples are much closer in numbers and may have been purchased directly from Winchester. The “rack number” stamped on the left side of the receiver does not sequentially follow the SN progression.
I am very interested in growing the data base of examples of these rifles and building up any further factual information regarding them. If you have one PLEASE post here or send images of them to me at [email protected] I need the full serial number, image of the left side of the receiver, the caliber stamp (44 WCF, .45 ACP, .45 LC), an image looking down into the open chamber, a detail of the last 4 inches or so of the muzzle end of the barrel, and of course any other images also will be happily received.








Here are some dimensional differences between the 44 WCF and .45 ACP cartridges for comparison.
Thanks so much for the help
Michael

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
March 20, 2009
OfflineHorilka said
Here’s one with quite different markings. Santa Fe province crest, Departamento Belgrano police marked.
That is the ONLY one that I have with that specific marking. Can you please post a photo of the caliber stamp on the barrel and the serial number? The rifle has the same sling attachment alteration and an apparent 16 inch barrel but does not have the muzzle alteration.
Michael

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
March 20, 2009
OfflineHorilka said
What is “HOUGH” to the right of new calibre markings?
Good morning and thanks for the additional images. I am not certain but would guess that HOUGH is the name of an importer who was used to bring the rifle back to the US. And I am assuming that is where it is now? During this serial number range Winchester manufactured a very large batch of (+5000) saddle ring carbines. Yours should have an upper tang stamp that looks like the attached image.
Michael

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
March 20, 2009
OfflineHorilka said
This carbine is in Canada. We don’t have any import markings requirements (yet).
It may have come into the US prior to going to Canada. But… I have not been able to find any reference to a HOUGH importer on line. I need to connect with a serious Winchester collector in Argentina who is willing to do some local leg work and research on these marked rifles. So far I have not been able to do so.
Michael

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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