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April 15, 2005
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MidwestCrisis said
Will removing the active rust with brass wool and oil stop it? Or do you have to boil and convert it?
It will if there are no pits in the steel. I personally would avoid boiling anything. Wet (soak) all of the steel surfaces you need to clean with the Kroil, let it sit overnight, then scrub it clean with brass or copper wool wetted with fresh Kroil. Wipe (clean) frequently while removing the crud and rust. The process I describe will take time and effort. You will see and feel when the rust is removed.
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May just be wishful thinking but it looks like surface rust to me so pitting should be minimal.
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Bert H. said
MidwestCrisis said
Will removing the active rust with brass wool and oil stop it? Or do you have to boil and convert it?
It will if there are no pits in the steel. I personally would avoid boiling anything. Wet (soak) all of the steel surfaces you need to clean with the Kroil, let it sit overnight, then scrub it clean with brass or copper wool wetted with fresh Kroil. Wipe (clean) frequently while removing the crud and rust. The process I describe will take time and effort. You will see and feel when the rust is removed.
Bert
I’ve been working on a couple that were left in the barn and had some active rust that cleaned up well with that method, just a bit of finish loss. They aren’t Winchesters but the 92 and 94 I recently acquired had similar issues and your method has been working well. Have been using PB blaster and brass wool. Then the Remington action cleaner to degrease
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This is a great site. Really appreciate all the thoughtful responses.
After closer inspection it is marked 44 wcf
I am leaning to boiling and carding. I have the equipment to do this and have done a couple of win. .22 rifles.
Good advice to go slow and use the right tools and “do no harm”.
i will post pictures when complete. Might be a few weeks.
Thanks again.
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Good luck. Post pics of your progress
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Boatman1 said
This is a great site. Really appreciate all the thoughtful responses.
After closer inspection it is marked 44 wcf
I am leaning to boiling and carding. I have the equipment to do this and have done a couple of win. .22 rifles.
Good advice to go slow and use the right tools and “do no harm”.
i will post pictures when complete. Might be a few weeks.
Thanks again.
Take you’re time, as it’s not something to rush, but enjoy!
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Boatman1 said
This is a great site. Really appreciate all the thoughtful responses.
After closer inspection it is marked 44 wcf
I am leaning to boiling and carding. I have the equipment to do this and have done a couple of win. .22 rifles.
Good advice to go slow and use the right tools and “do no harm”.
i will post pictures when complete. Might be a few weeks.
Thanks again.
Watch Mark Novak’s youtube channel (ANVIL) and watch all his videos on “conservation” or boil/carding…might take a while but wow, good info. I don’t try to take the barrel off the receiver and I advise you not too also unless you have the gear and tooling for it. If you have a steam cabinet or pipe contraption you’ve built, you can do it in there as one unit…have to get all the oil off first but that might not be as hard on that one. Smaller parts and such are easy.
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It will cost way more money to re do this rifle than it will ever be worth. If you are experienced or really want to try, do as much as you wish.
Be very careful if you try to take this rifle apart. Even if you have soaked it in the correct oil and have the screw drivers Bert mentioned. There is a very good chance you will still mess up some parts or break others.
Definitely cover all the metal part with a penetrating oil. Spray it in all the areas that you can get to. Let it soak for days while trying to open and close the action. Once the action and all other parts work smoothly work on the wood. Don’t worry about the oil getting on the wood.
Letting excess oil soak into the wood over a long period can cause the wood to change color. But a few days has never hurt any of my rifles. A couple times a year for over 30 years I wipe down all my guns with Break Free CLP then wipe off the excess.
Use some boiled linseed oil on all the wood parts. Ad coats and let dry over night. Keep doing this until the wood stops absorbing the oil and there are no dry spots. Hand polish with a rag to remove any excess.
I would only take the butt stock off. Even this may do some damage to the wood if not careful.
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MidwestCrisis said
Have been using PB blaster and brass wool. Then the Remington action cleaner to degrease
I dont have the patience for Kroil. PB Blaster works in minutes, especially good for stuck screws or froze magazine tube. Never applied to wood, always sprayed into a dropper for the buttstock screw and forend cap screws, with the wood off, not much else has been of concern. Importantly, as has been mentioned, the correct screwdrivers for the job, and clean the grime from the screw heads before you attempt to turn.
For that gun, save your expensive lubricants for outside/parts cleaning, good old WD-40 works fine for that, copper or brass wool of course. Once you mitigation the rust, do what you wish. For the wood, maybe some Murphy wood oil soap to clean, and depending on what your left with once cleaned determine whats next. Depends on how much existing finish is left on the wood and the type of finish you want (in this case I wouldnt want anything with too much shiny finish because it wont match the contition of the metal. Ive used Dr. Woodwell Wood Elixir for stocks that may have existing stain/finish, works great on antique furniture with blemishes.
Ive done quite a few extreme rust mitigation projects in the past that were far worse condition than what yours looks to be in. Unfortunately, on your rifle, I think in the end the metal is going to be pitted based on the type of rust shown in the pics and underlying condition. Good Luck.
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Chris,
You’ve always brought a lot of experience to the forum, and so called Table. IMO! I’m not here to argue with you as I have also had a lot of experience with the penetrates, and rust dissolves, and such.
I also have had great results with those products that you mention. Especially the Blaster, which is a hometown product that I have the luxury of acquiring very reasonably, as a local. WD-40, accordingly, as an all around cleaner, and especially on Stainless steel!
For me it depends on the project and definitely, the different sizes of them. Several larger projects, that require maybe gallons of liquid material, or down to the decent size projects that require a lot, I have used various products and have found a resourceful list, that I have put to the test, as it works tremendously, for me, and a few others who have proven the list to work well.
I have the patience to take my time with my firearms, (and use the Kroil by Krano), as at times I will put it down and take a break. Knowing thy self, is more than half the battle, for us Ole’ Timers! LOL!
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That “home brew” reminds me of the concoction some BE shooters used to use to keep their tight-tolorance 1911’s and .22’s running. Maybe they still use it. Most wouldn’t say what they mixed with the ATF. Some were machinists so I am thinking it may have been some kind of light cutting oil.
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I’ve always used Kroil, although their aerosol cans always seem to lose pressure after a few years…only ones to do that and they won’t fix it. In my DIY auto repair stuff, I’ve always soaked the bolts/screws/etc. a little daily over the course of a week and took my time. There are those who say it does nothing. Here’s an interesting look at it from Project Farm’s YT channel…
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Jeremy P said
I’ve always used Kroil, although their aerosol cans always seem to lose pressure after a few years…only ones to do that and they won’t fix it. In my DIY auto repair stuff, I’ve always soaked the bolts/screws/etc. a little daily over the course of a week and took my time. There are those who say it does nothing. Here’s an interesting look at it from Project Farm’s YT channel…
Very interesting… I do not use the aerosal can, preferring the cans with the dropper tube (a lot less messy and it allows for a much more conservative application). Based on the video, I will buy a can of Liquid Wrench and give it a try when my Kroil supply runs out.
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Here’s a link to a full playlist of his…he made quite a bit more videos based on viewer suggestions and I had forgotten about them…more research Bert!
https://www.youtube.com/@ProjectFarm/playlists
Go to the penetrating oils playlist about 2/3 the way down…episode two has an interesting testing method using bolts in acrylic and measuring the penetration.
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A few Master Plumbers in my family, they always had a can of Liquid Wrench in the truck
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Cool video Jeremy P. Thanks for sharing.
Anthony said
Chris,
IMO! I’m not here to argue with you as I have also had a lot of experience with the penetrates, and rust dissolves, and such… I have the patience to take my time with my firearms, (and use the Kroil by Krano), as at times I will put it down and take a break. Knowing thy self, is more than half the battle, for us Ole’ Timers! LOL!
Anthony
No arguments here, your exactly right and boils down to preference and the magnitude of the job at hand. And that “patience” thing you mention, thats a tough one to harness sometimes 
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Chris
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I have Kroil, WD 40 and PB Blaster on my bench and use all 3. But, I never saw a real difference. I guess I need to add a 4th can.
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Chuck said
I have Kroil, WD 40 and PB Blaster on my bench and use all 3. But, I never saw a real difference. I guess I need to add a 4th can.
I have both Kroil and WD 40… but I will add a can of Liquid Wrench. No such thing as too much “stuff” (according to George Carlin).
For those of you with a few minutes to waste (and want a good laugh), watch this…
Bert
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Bert,
I’ve always enjoyed that video, and have referenced it, on many occasions!
We might be showing our age!
Anthony
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Anthony said
Bert,
I’ve always enjoyed that video, and have referenced it, on many occasions!
We might be showing our age!
Anthony
George was one of my all-time favorites as his routines were always animated and very funny! Robin Williams was my other favorite for pure entertainment value. In more recent times, Jeff Dunham is my favorite… between Walter and Achmed, it keeps me in stiches.
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