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July 31, 2005
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Serial number 819 has special order features but someone fraudulently engraved “One of One Hundred” on the barrel. This gun was not in the survey. I have entered it but made a note that it is a fake. It’s too bad someone decreased its collector value by faking the inscription.
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
April 30, 2023
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otherwise a nice gun! They very slyly added “engraving added” but at least it’s in the listing I guess. If you follow it, post back what price it went for!
November 7, 2015
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At least it’s a better quality fake than some of the “! of 1000” fakes we’ve seen. Can’t help but wonder what it would go for without the added engraving.
Mike
May 2, 2009
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That gun is next to serial 818 that is a 1 of 100.
Bob
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December 9, 2002
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Bill,
Thanks for educating the masses. The Letter sure tells the story, vs the write up, if a person is paying attention, but a seeker who might not know the particulars of a letter or familiar with the Cody letter, wouldn’t catch it, I suspect.
Interestingly enough on Waddy Colvert’s research letter, and on the bottom right is the yellow highlight words saying, “My Gun”, but I can’t tell if Waddy, or the owner that ordered the letter, from him, wrote it there!
The engraving looks pretty good to me, and looks like it’s been there awhile.
1873man said
That gun is next to serial 818 that is a 1 of 100.
Bob
Also interesting Bob.
Anthony
May 23, 2009
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Yeah I’d love to see what the actual entire ledger page looks like for that serial number is. That rifle right there certainly would need a lot more research and inspection inside and out. If its fake, its one of the bests ones out there. And yes you read that correctly and I said what I said.
I wonder if there is some scientific method out there for aging the oxidation rate for cuts in metal. That engraving certainly looks well aged.
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June 4, 2017
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I wonder what the bid will be 31 days from now? 15-20k? Forget the estimate. T/R
May 23, 2009
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TR said
I wonder what the bid will be 31 days from now? 15-20k? Forget the estimate. T/R
I’d say you are certainly in the ballpark with your estimate. I’ve seen plenty of other fake 1of1000s go for five figures.
It is still a nice Open Top 76 Rifle, regardless of the barrel.
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April 30, 2023
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I bookmarked it at Poulin so I can (hopefully) remember to post back the ending price. Maverick is right though, it’s well done IMO.
June 4, 2017
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Who buys a gun without doing a Google search on the gun? A fool. Google Winchester 1876 819 and see what you get. Google all your guns and see what you get. You might be surprised.
This gun, 819 will show up again, will it still be a 1 of 100 or will it be a 1876 deluxe, open top, set trigger, with a donor barrel and tube that matches the back half and now letters? What happens to the 1 of 100 barrel? I’m sure it will be seen again and a Google search of the next gun’s s/n will not show s/n 819 past history.
I’m pretty sure more 1 of 100s and 1 of 1000s exist today than Winchester made. T/R
April 30, 2023
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I just googled it and don’t see any callouts to that specific s/n…are you seeing results that point to discussions on 819 other than ours?
June 4, 2017
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Jeremy P said
I just googled it and don’t see any callouts to that specific s/n…are you seeing results that point to discussions on 819 other than ours?
No, on the IA overview it makes reference to the Winchester Forum post. That’s enough to mark that s/n forever.
Two very rare and historic Colts have recently sold, one high because two bidders knew the old Colt forum back story and bid it up. Another sold very cheap on Guns International because the seller didn’t know the historic history that showed up on a serial number search.
Information on what you sell and what you buy is important. T/R
November 7, 2015
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Is this the rifle that has the genuine “! of 100” barrel?
Mike
May 23, 2009
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TXGunNut said
Is this the rifle that has the genuine “! of 100” barrel?
Mike
The only way to know that for 100% certainty would be to actually thoroughly examine it. But I find it somewhat doubtful. Also, either the whole gun is the genuine article or not. You move a barrel from one to another, you have a parts guns. Unless for rare some instance such a thing was done by the factory. Which also would be very highly unlikely.
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TR said
No, on the IA overview it makes reference to the Winchester Forum post. That’s enough to mark that s/n forever.
Ah, yes I saw that, I see what you mean now. I thought there were other discussions that had happened somewhere else already!
June 4, 2017
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Jeremy P said
TR said
No, on the IA overview it makes reference to the Winchester Forum post. That’s enough to mark that s/n forever.
Ah, yes I saw that, I see what you mean now. I thought there were other discussions that had happened somewhere else already!
Just like the Colt I was talking about, the discussion started on the Colt Forum a couple years before and the Google search took me there. The only problem I wasn’t the only one to know. RIA didn’t say anything on the description. Another case of the price blowing past the estimate. On a straight sale the first one with the information wins. T/R
November 19, 2006
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Anthony said
Bill,
Thanks for educating the masses. The Letter sure tells the story, vs the write up, if a person is paying attention, but a seeker who might not know the particulars of a letter or familiar with the Cody letter, wouldn’t catch it, I suspect.
Interestingly enough on Waddy Colvert’s research letter, and on the bottom right is the yellow highlight words saying, “My Gun”, but I can’t tell if Waddy, or the owner that ordered the letter, from him, wrote it there!
The engraving looks pretty good to me, and looks like it’s been there awhile.1873man said
That gun is next to serial 818 that is a 1 of 100.
Bob
Also interesting Bob.
Anthony
I find it very interesting that the consecutive number to this one is called out in the factory ledger as a 1 of 100. Combine that with how excellent the engraving appears. Very interesting.
March 20, 2010
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I dont have a dog in this hunt, nor the money to afford one of these rifles whether fake or real. But if I were looking, these are the things I would begin to question in comparison to other known 1 of 100 rifles.
While each original has minor variances, if looking at the 6 or 7 illustrations of known 1 of 100 rifle engravings from Lewis’ book, you note a familiar consistency to the scrollwork for “One of One Hundred” engraving, the current rifle appears to be at variance to others.
1) Inconsistent thickness/thinness of the engraving (stop interrupts) at the left of the panel. Execution is everything.
2) The right curve and loop of the “O” as it folds into the body of the “O” at a lower point and angle. The top right or loop of the “O”‘s are not a smooth ellipsis transition and they terminate nearing the center of the “O”. In other examples, they angle towards and parallel to the left side of the “O”.
3) If present it is faint, but the “of” is missing the small engraved start-off leg that initiates the engraving of the “o”. The trail off to the right of the “f” is flat, where the other examples are considerably more angled upwards.
4) The engraving of the letter “n” in each “One” are angled and pointed at the top rounded tops instead of smooth tight rounded top.
5) The engraving of the letter “e” in each “One” terminate below the medial plane of the “e” whereas other examples terminate at or near the top of the “e”.
6) The cross-bar of the “H” in the engraving for “Hundred” is not a single engraved stroke from the lower left loop of the “H” through to the right upward loop of the right side of the “H”. It terminates at the left bar of the “H” and is interrupted, starting the upward swoop at a lower point at the interior of the “H” before continuing the loop to create the right bar of the “H”. The loop at the base of the right side bar to the “H” does not have the ellipsis or loop as other examples do.
7) The upstroke of the “r” does not terminate at a point as in other examples.
8) The terminal loop in the “d” does not extend up at an angle and trail off parallel to the bar of the “d” nor past the medial plane of the “d”
9) The presence of dots above the “u” and each “d”.
10) Abundance of overlap of punch-dot background over the engraved borders.
No expert status claimed by any stretch of the imagination, but just a few minutes looking at a few examples there appeared to be a some variances.
CH
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Maverick said
Yeah I’d love to see what the actual entire ledger page looks like for that serial number is.
I’d like to see that too. Any WACA superheroes that can get it posted for us to pour over? 
November 19, 2006
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1892takedown said
I dont have a dog in this hunt, nor the money to afford one of these rifles whether fake or real. But if I were looking, these are the things I would begin to question in comparison to other known 1 of 100 rifles.
While each original has minor variances, if looking at the 6 or 7 illustrations of known 1 of 100 rifle engravings from Lewis’ book, you note a familiar consistency to the scrollwork for “One of One Hundred” engraving, the current rifle appears to be at variance to others.
1) Inconsistent thickness/thinness of the engraving (stop interrupts) at the left of the panel. Execution is everything.
2) The right curve and loop of the “O” as it folds into the body of the “O” at a lower point and angle. The top right or loop of the “O”‘s are not a smooth ellipsis transition and they terminate nearing the center of the “O”. In other examples, they angle towards and parallel to the left side of the “O”.
3) If present it is faint, but the “of” is missing the small engraved start-off leg that initiates the engraving of the “o”. The trail off to the right of the “f” is flat, where the other examples are considerably more angled upwards.
4) The engraving of the letter “n” in each “One” are angled and pointed at the top rounded tops instead of smooth tight rounded top.
5) The engraving of the letter “e” in each “One” terminate below the medial plane of the “e” whereas other examples terminate at or near the top of the “e”.
6) The cross-bar of the “H” in the engraving for “Hundred” is not a single engraved stroke from the lower left loop of the “H” through to the right upward loop of the right side of the “H”. It terminates at the left bar of the “H” and is interrupted, starting the upward swoop at a lower point at the interior of the “H” before continuing the loop to create the right bar of the “H”. The loop at the base of the right side bar to the “H” does not have the ellipsis or loop as other examples do.
7) The upstroke of the “r” does not terminate at a point as in other examples.
8) The terminal loop in the “d” does not extend up at an angle and trail off parallel to the bar of the “d” nor past the medial plane of the “d”
9) The presence of dots above the “u” and each “d”.
10) Abundance of overlap of punch-dot background over the engraved borders.
No expert status claimed by any stretch of the imagination, but just a few minutes looking at a few examples there appeared to be a some variances.
CH
Very detailed analysis. Thanks for taking the time and sharing.
