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Hey Guys
I was reading the Thread about “1873 serial number with a “B” a lot of great reading by the way.
It brought me to this question does anybody know what serial number range was the first 32-20 offered in the model 1873 .
I was looking at a gun the other day serial #103597A standard 1873 RB,FM, Straight grip ,crescent butt plate , no trap door, Standard sights. I would love to post pics for you guys to enjoy , but having trouble. Send your email and all send some.
Thanks Bruce
Aim Small ,Miss Small
Bruce,
The 32 started in production in large numbers around 99,000 with a few earlier.
If you want to send me the pics I can post them for you.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Bruce,
Here are the pictures.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Thanks for info Bob and pictures, Neat to see a first year of production of the 32-20.
Bruce
Aim Small ,Miss Small
Bruce,
Its not a first year production since they did make some earlier, as far back as 1881 from what I have found.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Thanks Bob
I wonder if they can change that info on “Winchester Model Information” under Resources. It states the 32-20 was introduced in 1882. For future references.
Bruce
Aim Small ,Miss Small
I’m real new at this but it looks to be in good condition.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
Gentlemen,
Are we now thinking that the .32 WCF was introduced prior to 1882? If so, when and how are you determining it?
Rob Kassab
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Winchester Arms Collectors Association
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I process of surveying the 73 I have several that were made in 81 but I have to check the records to be sure.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Bob,
Is 1881 the SNA date or the received in the warehouse date?
Rob Kassab
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Rob,
I don’t have the Cody records yet on them. These are guns from my survey and I just checked the year with the DOM from this site.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Let me know when you get the letters.
Rob Kassab
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Winchester Arms Collectors Association
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Hi,
I am in the opinion that Winchester made a number of 32 WCF guns before they announced this caliber, “as to have them in stock”.
Winter
I got the email from Cody and the 4 guns I had that were listed as 32 prior to 1882 are not 32’s. One gun was listed in the Winchester Museum Inventory book #1202 as octagon 32 but its a round 38 with a 26″ barrel according to the ledger. So your 1882 date is safe for now.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Thanks Bob.
Rob Kassab
Director & Executive Editor
Winchester Arms Collectors Association
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Thanks Bob and others for all the hard work with the survey’s . Its great that we have all this Information coming in about are old Winchester’s . It is a decent enough 73 asking price is $4500 CDN . Thoughts?
Thanks Bruce
Aim Small ,Miss Small
Regarding the intro date of the 32 WCF, I asked Dan Shuey and, as usual, a very informed and thorough response:
Catalog of 04/1/82: not shown or listed. Not listed in primer section.
Catalog of 09/1/82: shown and listed. Listed in primer section.
My Vol One WRACo has 1882
Giles/Shuey has 1882
C.T. Haven (unpublished history of WRACo 1850-1946. Williamson took over on this) 1882
Williamson from P.S. Foster’s factory loading data 1882
This is not in Veader & Earle History of WRACo (Unpublished factory ordered history.)
White & Munhall “Pistol & Revolver Cartridges”: 1882
Walter M. Bellemore, personal notes and histories; 1882
This cartridge is not on the 1879 Board at Cody.
This cartridge is on the 1884 type one & type two Boards from my records
This cartridge is on the 1886 Board at Cody.
This cartridge is on the 1888 Board from my records.
This cartridge is on the 1890 Board at Cody.
This cartridge is on the 1894 Board at Cody.
From UMCCo factory records, “Commenced to experiment with this cartridge.” (AMA member) 11/82
From same, “Commenced to manufacture this cartridge.” 01/83
If there is something earlier (than 4/1/82) it would have to be from a notice to salesman (missionaries at that date) of a new product to be offered. Also could be from a letter to the trade (dealers, gunsmiths, etc) of a new product offering. The Union Metallic Cartridge Company dates say a lot. Dan Shuey
Rob Kassab
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Bruce, I just handled that rifle and looked in both ends of the bore a few weeks ago on a trip up to North Bay. Everything looked honest to me and the bore was pretty decent. I just thought the price was a little high for the caliber and the condition. That being said, if I had the money and he would lower the price, I would seriously consider purchasing that rifle. Unfortunately, I don’t have the money so I haven’t bothered to see if he has any room to move on the price. Let’s see what the other fellows say re. price. I would think that $3,500 – $3,800 would be more like it, but I’m a bit rusty on ’73 prices.
Kirk
My thoughts exactly. I had a good look at this rifle as well and thought it was a good decent rifle. With honest wear and quite a bit of blueing left. Problem being the caliber and being a round barrel not as sought after from the collectors , is why it is still there. I was thinking more around the $3000 mark . I am in the same boat as you saving up and don’t have the funds right now.
Thanks for opinion, Bruce
Aim Small ,Miss Small
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