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Hello everyone, I am brand new here and was referred by some guys on another forum. I own several winchester rifles but I need help with this one. I have the opportunity to purchase it but would like to know if it is correct first. It is a model 64 .219 zipper, it has what I think is the original model 98a bolt mounted peep sight. There seem to be varying differences on when this caliber of rifle was made. My question is does anyone here know if based on the serial number if it would fall in when this rifle would have been produced? And what the approximate fair value would be. I was allowed to take a few cell phone photos that I will try and post. Any and all information would be greatly appreciated because I am trying not to make a costly mistake. Serial number is 1375314
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Hello Mallard,
And welcome to the forum. The rifle in question was manufactured during 1946. The Model 64 was introduced during 1932 in the 1,087,000 SN range. The .219 Zipper first shows up during 1937 and was produced at least until 1948. The rifle seems legit. With the exception that it has had a lousy re-bluing job at some time in the past.
This is written by Bert H. in another post on this forum:
http://www.winchestercollector.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6243
Winchester introduced the 219 Zipper in January of 1937, but the actual production began in late 1936, and it continued through August of 1942 when production of the Model 94 & 64 was temporarily suspended until June of 1945.
Following WW II, Winchester resumed manufacturing the the Model 64 in 219 Zipper, and it was last listed in the 1948 catalog. Based on the information I have in my research survey, the year 1946 was the most prolific for the Model 64 in the 219 Zipper cartridge, with (41) documented thus far (more than 40% of the total I have surveyed). In the years 1946 – 1948, I have documented (45) 219 Zipper rifles.
So yes, my extrapolated numbers do indicate that 1:12 Model 64 rifles was a 219 Zipper. The 25-35 WCF was the least common of the standard production calibers, and thus far, I have documented just (66) of them.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
twobit said
Hello Mallard,And welcome to the forum. The rifle in question was manufactured during 1946. The Model 64 was introduced during 1932 in the 1,087,000 SN range. The .219 Zipper first shows up during 1937 and was produced at least until 1948. The rifle seems legit. With the exception that it has had a lousy re-bluing job at some time in the past.
This is written by Bert H. in another post on this forum:
http://www.winchestercollector.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6243Winchester introduced the 219 Zipper in January of 1937, but the actual production began in late 1936, and it continued through August of 1942 when production of the Model 94 & 64 was temporarily suspended until June of 1945.
Following WW II, Winchester resumed manufacturing the the Model 64 in 219 Zipper, and it was last listed in the 1948 catalog. Based on the information I have in my research survey, the year 1946 was the most prolific for the Model 64 in the 219 Zipper cartridge, with (41) documented thus far (more than 40% of the total I have surveyed). In the years 1946 – 1948, I have documented (45) 219 Zipper rifles.
So yes, my extrapolated numbers do indicate that 1:12 Model 64 rifles was a 219 Zipper. The 25-35 WCF was the least common of the standard production calibers, and thus far, I have documented just (66) of them.Michael
Thanks for the reply, I know these are lousy phone photos but what lets you know it has been reblued? and do you have any idea of a fair value?
Online
I do not believe that it has been reblued. Instead, it has a fair amount of crud on it.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bad photos sure can confuse you. I also was thinking a re-blue because the receiver looks like it was blued over pitting. But the edges are sharp, as is the serial number, so think Bert may be right. Dirty oil or crud just makes it look rough.
The rifle does not have any pitting, it does have some light surface rust, hence the heavy coat of oil that is on it now. To me the markings all look sharp. My main concern was to make sure the rifle is correct based on the serial number. I went ahead and bit the bullet and purchased it since I did not think it would last long being a .219.
Bert, I hope at least this one can be added to your collection of data.
Mallard,
I did indeed add it to my survey… it is yet another 1946 production 219 Zipper.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
can anyone give me a fair market value? I would just like to know if I did ok. And I forgot to mention that the bore is bright shiny in perfect condition.
Bryan,
Based on recent sales, I would expect that it would sell for at least $1600.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Bryan,Based on recent sales, I would expect that it would sell for at least $1600.
Bert
Thanks Bert, I was hoping more, I thought I was going to be able to get it for $1500 but I ended up having to give $2000, I did get a couple of boxes of old shells, I don’t guess that too much was lost.
Bert H. said
Bryan,Based on recent sales, I would expect that it would sell for at least $1600.
Bert
Thanks Bert, I was hoping more, I thought I was going to be able to get it for $1500 but I ended up having to give $2000, I did get a couple of boxes of old shells, I don’t guess that too much was lost.
As George Madis said "you didn’t pay to much , you just bought it to early!" 
Enjoy your new acquisition.
You are not that far off. Keep in mind that Bert said ‘at least $1,600". You probably didn’t buy it to turn around and sell it for a profit anyway. By the time you decide to sell it, if you ever do, you may well sell it for what, or more than, you paid.
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