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December 13, 2006
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Just for “grins” I loaded up the full-length magazine of my 1915-era, 26” barrelled, Model ‘94 Rifle.
I found out why Winchester offered shorter length mag tubes!
Loaded with my handload using Lymans’ #311291 bullet (177 grain) I was able to get NINE cartridges in the tube . . . .and with one in the chamber, this made for an EXTREMELY barrel-heavy unit!
One needed to have arms like Popeye to utilize this l-o-n-g magazine!
Guess they knew the M64 would sell well, eh?
April 15, 2005
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Jim,
I once owned a 1907 production 30 WCF Model 1894 Take Down rifle with a 26″ Octagon barrel and full length magazine… it would hold (10) cartridges in the tube, plus one more in the chamber. Due to the extra length (and steel) of the TD receiver frame, it was a very heavy brute when fully loaded, but a pleasure to shoot.
Many years ago I loaded some special loads for it using the Sierra 168 grain Match King bullets, and I got it to shoot sub MOA 3-shot groups @ 100-yds. I had put a Lyman No. 2A tang sight, and a Lyman 17A globe front sight on it… it looked a bit odd, but it could sure shoot good. I unfortunately sold that rifle to fund the purchase of a Single Shot rifle.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
July 14, 2016
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I wonder if in the past, the magazine trube spring was shortened to accommodate the extra round?
A man can never have too many WINCHESTERS...
December 13, 2006
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Chris D said
I wonder if in the past, the magazine trube spring was shortened to accommodate the extra round?
I doubt it Chris . . . .
I was able to get 9 rounds in my tube ‘cause the bullet sticks out of the case mouth only about 1/2”.
Getting that ninth round in was a BEAR . . . .but the loading gate did snap shut behind it!
Still wonder if all that “firepower” was ever necessary in a sporting rifle.
I go the opposite . . .because I’m “cost-conscious” about cartridge components, I load it as a “single shot” and allow a full two minutes between shots at the range.
July 14, 2016
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I might have to try a couple of mine to see how many I can actually squeeze in
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March 20, 2009
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And then there are guys like this one. “MUST HAVE MORE MACHO AMMO!!” I always like to comment that they must plan on missing a LOT!
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
December 9, 2002
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Good Point Michael! LOL! 
Tony
December 13, 2006
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twobit said
And then there are guys like this one. “MUST HAVE MORE MACHO AMMO!!” I always like to comment that they must plan on missing a LOT!
When I would “hang out” at my LGS, I would just shake my head when a patron would come in . . .and after saying, “hello” . . and looking at some firearm . . . .INVARIBLY the VERY NEXT COMMENT he would ask, is, “How many rounds does it hold?”
Seems lately, everyone is GOING TO WAR!
April 15, 2005
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Jim F in CT said
When I would “hang out” at my LGS, I would just shake my head when a patron would come in . . .and after saying, “hello” . . and looking at some firearm . . . .INVARIBLY the VERY NEXT COMMENT he would ask, is, “How many rounds does it hold?”
Seems lately, everyone is GOING TO WAR!
That is a very short answer for most of my Winchester collection…
Bert
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March 20, 2009
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Jim F in CT said
twobit said
And then there are guys like this one. “MUST HAVE MORE MACHO AMMO!!” I always like to comment that they must plan on missing a LOT!
When I would “hang out” at my LGS, I would just shake my head when a patron would come in . . .and after saying, “hello” . . and looking at some firearm . . . .INVARIBLY the VERY NEXT COMMENT he would ask, is, “How many rounds does it hold?”
Seems lately, everyone is GOING TO WAR!
I am in total agreement!! When I am out at my ranch and listen to some of my neighbors “target shoot” as they rip off 5 to twenty shots in rapid succession I just scratch my head and wonder why. But I gues those sub three foot groupings are satisfying! 
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
August 27, 2014
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Over the 60+ years I’ve chased PA and NY bucks I would typically load three cartridges in my gun. First shot is the money shot and in 60+ years have never taken a shot at a tail bounding away through the woods.
On the other hand I frequently hear strings of 5 or 6 rapid fire shots in deer season and have to wonder what kind of shots the shooter is taking.
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
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November 7, 2015
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Tedk said
Over the 60+ years I’ve chased PA and NY bucks I would typically load three cartridges in my gun. First shot is the money shot and in 60+ years have never taken a shot at a tail bounding away through the woods.
On the other hand I frequently hear strings of 5 or 6 rapid fire shots in deer season and have to wonder what kind of shots the shooter is taking.
Same thing in Texas. I was pretty sure my 94 rifles held more than 2 rounds but can’t recall ever finding out how many. I think a carbine with a full-length magazine holds five or six. I’m pretty sure I checked that a few decades back.
Mike
April 30, 2023
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Jim F in CT said
Still wonder if all that “firepower” was ever necessary in a sporting rifle.
Better to have and not need than, well, you know…. 🙂
December 21, 2006
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Man , if You think these ’94’s are heavy, how would You like to cart around a Mod. ’76 30″ heavy barrel all loaded up with .50-95 0r an ’86 30″ heavy barrel full of 45-70-500gr . I don’t know what the weight would be , but I’m guessing close to 20 lbs.
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
February 17, 2022
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My 36″ 1886 holds 11 45-90 in the mag one in the chamber for 12 total. t
March 20, 2009
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I used to hear my dad say “load on Sunday and shoot all week!” 
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
April 30, 2023
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My shoulder hurts just thinking about the two examples listed just above
August 27, 2014
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Bert H. said
Jim,
I once owned a 1907 production 30 WCF Model 1894 Take Down rifle with a 26″ Octagon barrel and full length magazine… it would hold (10) cartridges in the tube, plus one more in the chamber. Due to the extra length (and steel) of the TD receiver frame, it was a very heavy brute when fully loaded, but a pleasure to shoot.
Many years ago I loaded some special loads for it using the Sierra 168 grain Match King bullets, and I got it to shoot sub MOA 3-shot groups @ 100-yds. I had put a Lyman No. 2A tang sight, and a Lyman 17A globe front sight on it… it looked a bit odd, but it could sure shoot good. I unfortunately sold that rifle to fund the purchase of a Single Shot rifle.
Bert
Bert,
I own the exact same configuration Model 1894, albeit a couple years newer than yours (you’ve seen pics of the gun and have it in your survey). Pristine, highest condition Model 1894 that I’ve ever owned and it doesn’t appear that a shell has ever passed thru the loading gate. I do really like the way the gun feels in the hands and comes to the shoulder, but unfortunately it will never be loaded and fired while I’m the owner. One of the pitfalls of collecting I guess.
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
December 9, 2002
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I know if I as a collector was thinking about, “going to war’, with someone, I surely wouldn’t grab any of my collectable Winchesters!
Before my scrapping young son became a Scout Sniper in the USMC, he was a Squad machine gunner carrying a M-249, (a SAW, in Afghanistan), and you want to talk about heavy!!! Now that something I grab for war or even an assault on my place, protecting my family!!!
| Light Machine Gun, 5.56 mm, M249 SAW | |
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M249 Para with an ACOG optical sight
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| Type | Light machine gun Squad automatic weapon |
| Place of origin | Belgium / United States |
| Service history | |
| In service | 1984–present |
| Used by | See Users |
| Wars | |
| Production history | |
| Designed | 1976 |
| Manufacturer | FN America |
| Unit cost | US$4,087[2] |
| Produced | Late 1970s–present |
| Variants | See Variants |
| Specifications | |
| Mass |
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| Length | 40.75 in (1,035 mm) |
| Barrel length |
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| Cartridge | 5.56×45mm NATO |
| Action | Gas-operated long-stroke piston system, open bolt, rotating bolt |
| Rate of fire | 850 rounds/min |
| Muzzle velocity | 915 m/s (3,000 ft/s) |
| Effective firing range |
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| Feed system | M27 linked disintegrating belt in a 100- or 200-round soft pouch STANAG magazine |
| Sights | Iron sights or Picatinny rail for various optical sights |
| References | [3][4] |
The answer is Yes to you’re obvious question! 
“We have the right to Keep and Bear Arms!”
Tony
February 17, 2022
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Anthony #5411 said
I know if I as a collector was thinking about, “going to war’, with someone, I surely wouldn’t grab any of my collectable Winchesters!
Before my scrapping young son became a Scout Sniper in the USMC, he was a Squad machine gunner carrying a M-249, (a SAW, in Afghanistan), and you want to talk about heavy!!! Now that something I grab for war or even an assault on my place, protecting my family!!!Light Machine Gun, 5.56 mm, M249 SAW
M249 Para with an ACOG optical sight
Type
Light machine gun
Squad automatic weaponPlace of origin
Belgium / United StatesService history
In service
1984–presentUsed by
See UsersWars
United States invasion of Panama
Gulf War
Somali Civil War
Bosnian War
Kosovo War
War in Afghanistan (2001–2021)
Iraq War
Syrian Civil War
Russo-Ukrainian War (2014–present)[1]
Yemeni Civil War (2014–present)
Saudi-led intervention in Yemen
Haitian gang warProduction history
Designed
1976Manufacturer
FN AmericaUnit cost
US$4,087[2]Produced
Late 1970s–presentVariants
See VariantsSpecifications
Mass
7.5 kg (17 lb) empty
10 kg (22 lb) with 200-round soft pouchLength
40.75 in (1,035 mm)Barrel length
465 mm (18.3 in)
521 mm (20.5 in)Cartridge
5.56×45mm NATOAction
Gas-operated long-stroke piston system, open bolt, rotating boltRate of fire
850 rounds/minMuzzle velocity
915 m/s (3,000 ft/s)Effective firing range
700 m (2,300 ft) (point target, 465 mm barrel)
800 m (2,600 ft) (point target, 521 mm barrel)
3,600 m (11,800 ft) (maximum range)Feed system
M27 linked disintegrating belt in a 100- or 200-round soft pouch
STANAG magazineSights
Iron sights or Picatinny rail for various optical sightsReferences
[3][4]The answer is Yes to you’re obvious question!
“We have the right to Keep and Bear Arms!”
Tony
Tony as heavy as the saw maybe, I lugged around a pig(m-60) for awhile and the MA deuce. Those are heavy!
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