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May 6, 2020
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Hi fellas

looking at an 1892 in 32-20 post 1920 smokeless barrel tomorrow.

just a question to the wise I’ve seen Sierra do a 90gr jacketed hollow point bullet .

do any of you load this bullet ?

is it bad idea ?

it’s used and ok anyone got any load information ? 

very little information this side of the pond 

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May 6, 2020
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I use a 100gr (or is it 85gr....  gotta go check Confused) jacketed Hornady XTP FN HP in my 32-20, with great success in silhouette matches. I fooled a little bit with 700x but settled on A2400 as it works very well for this caliber, as well as 25-20.

May 6, 2020
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Could you please give me your load data ?

unfortunately pistol data is rare in the uk.

we can’t even get all of the same powders as you, they have to be (Reach) compliant now due to the Europeans rules we comply with.

May 6, 2020
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coldweld@live.com said
Could you please give me your load data ?

unfortunately pistol data is rare in the uk.

we can’t even get all of the same powders as you, they have to be (Reach) compliant now due to the Europeans rules we comply with.  

Well, for my gun and the Hornady XP bullets, I started at 8gr of A2400 and worked up to 10gr. Can't say how well it will work in your gun with Sierra bullets, but do a little Googling, the data is out there.  Might want to shoot an email to Sierra and ask them.

May 6, 2020
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Just a quick one 85grn bullet ? 
thank you 

May 6, 2020
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It would be best if you picked a bullet first and let us know what powders you can get.  Then we might be able to give you some choices.  A 100 grain .312" lead bullet can take 12 grains of 2400 for 2,220 fps.  This speed seems fast to me??? This is about factory specs according to Barnes. 

Shooting Lever Guns of the Old West by Mike Venturino has 5 different loads for a 115 grain .313" lead bullet.  IMR SR 4756, Alliant Unique, Hodgdon Tightgroup, Win 231 and Accurate XMP 5744.  All of Mike's loads keep the fps to around 1,100 to 1,250 fps.

My new Sierra manual does not show a load for either rifle or pistol?  One of my 1967 manuals shows loads for a 100 gr bullet with 11.5 grains of 2400 for 1,670 fps and a 115 grain bullet with 10.8 grains of 2400 at 1,555 fps.  There is no data for the exact bullet being used.

You need to slug your bore.

May 6, 2020
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coldweld@live.com said
Just a quick one 85grn bullet ? 
thank you   

Just verified my stockpile - 100gr .312 Hornady XP jacketed hollow point.

As an aside - a little Googling found this......

http://www.reloadammo.com/3220.htm

May 6, 2020
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John D. said

coldweld@live.com said
Just a quick one 85grn bullet ? 
thank you   

Just verified my stockpile - 100gr .312 Hornady XP jacketed hollow point.

As an aside - a little Googling found this......

http://www.reloadammo.com/3220.htm  

The latest Hornady manual has data for the 85 grain .312" and the 100 grain .312".  4 different powders for each weight. The only 2 that are listed for both weights are using Alliant 2400 and IMR 4227 powders.

May 7, 2020
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It would be best if you picked a bullet first and let us know what powders you can get.  Then we might be able to give you some choices.  A 100 grain .312" lead bullet can take 12 grains of 2400 for 2,220 fps.  This speed seems fast to me??? 

Make sure you've got plenty of brass screen patches for your Lewis Lead Remover. 

May 7, 2020
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I put a deposit on the rifle,

powders I ca get in the uk

 

a2400

hogden tightgroup

imr 4227

 

cant swag the bore yet not got the rifle. But friends with the dealer will ask him to do it 

May 7, 2020
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coldweld@live.com said
I put a deposit on the rifle,

powders I ca get in the uk

 

a2400

hogden tightgroup

imr 4227

 

cant swag the bore yet not got the rifle. But friends with the dealer will ask him to do it   

Looks like you're good to go, then. A2400 and IMR4227 should work for you.

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clarence said

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It would be best if you picked a bullet first and let us know what powders you can get.  Then we might be able to give you some choices.  A 100 grain .312" lead bullet can take 12 grains of 2400 for 2,220 fps.  This speed seems fast to me??? 

Make sure you've got plenty of brass screen patches for your Lewis Lead Remover.   

I do not believe that the fps is correct at all and wouldn't want to push lead this fast.  Stick with a jacketed bullet just buy some cleaner that has copper remover in it too.  It will smell like ammonia.  Follow the directions.  Something like Sweats says not to leave it in the barrel more than about 10 minutes.

May 8, 2020
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Dean,

Going through some old reloading manuals, I found this page that might be of interest to you. It lists the Sierra 90gr JHC specifically, as well as loads for both 2400 and 4227:

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May 9, 2020
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We shoot these out of an original 1873 .32 WCF that has a terrible bore.  They have a good chance to perform well for you.

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Extremely Accurate

.313, 115 gr. FN GC bullets from The Bull Shop out of Dell, Montana.

12.65 gr. Reloder 7.

CCI 400 Small Rifle primer

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.312, Speer 100 gr. JHP

3.4 gr. Titegroup

CCI 400 Small Rifle primer

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.312, Hornady 85 gr. HP/XTP

3.4 gr. Titegroup

CCI 400 Small Rifle primer

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These jacketed loads are quite accurate.  The 115 grain gas-checked are just tooooo good!

The jacket loads are from Hodgdon for pistols.  We were keeping pressures low for the '73.

May 9, 2020
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Thank you everyone 

John D the data sheet is fantastic ! 
could you please take a picture of the top, with the drawings of OCL and case dimensions ?

im going to try unique and blue dot as I can get both and they give good results on the data .

May 22, 2020
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coldweld@live.com said
Thank you everyone 

John D the data sheet is fantastic ! 
could you please take a picture of the top, with the drawings of OCL and case dimensions ?

im going to try unique and blue dot as I can get both and they give good results on the data .  

Sorry - no can do....  super secret book and very very confidential. 

Seriously though, I can't....  because that book was in someone else's library and I no longer have access to it.  Frown

May 22, 2020
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Is that the Waters book, John? If so I may be able to help.

 

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May 22, 2020
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TXGunNut said
Is that the Waters book, John? If so I may be able to help.

 

Mike  

Yes it is. Page 759.  Some of Ken Water's Pet Loads are a little hot so start low and work up.

 

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Here's another reference for your files.  Have fun!

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May 23, 2020
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Thank you 

I have got Sierra 90rn jacketed bullets

115 gn hardcast lead bullets on order

collect 1000 small pistol primers Monday either federal or cci

also collect 1lb unique and 1lb A 2400

have starlight cases 

am waiting for the rifle to be added to my license by the Police 

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