Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
Is this 1873 as nice as I think it is?
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 8
Member Since:
June 20, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
May 26, 2024 - 9:35 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Hi,

First post here.  Seeking opinions on this new to me gun.  Sorry, but I know just enough to be dangerous.  My previous two 1873’s were not near this nice so I’m not 100% sure what I’ve bought here.  I don’t think it is refinished but it just looks too nice a condition to me and the case coloring looks suspicious and it looks to have a lacquer coating?  Looking for objective critiques (won’t hurt my feelings) and maybe value if anyone cares to throw one out.  ps. It does not have a cleaning rod compartment like my previous examples.  When did they stop this?  Serial number 423###B  Thanks

[Image Can Not Be Found]….will attempt to add photos from phone once posted

Avatar
Wisconsin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4360
Member Since:
May 2, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
May 26, 2024 - 9:42 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

As a guest you have to post the picture to a host site and then put a link to it in the post. or you can send the picture to me at the address below and I can post them. Also what is the full serial number?

Bob

WACA Life Member---
NRA Life Member----
Cody Firearms member since 1991
Researching the Winchester 1873's

73_86cutaway.jpg

Email: [email protected]

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6627
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
3
May 26, 2024 - 10:05 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

stavok said I don’t think it is refinished but it just looks too nice a condition to me and the case coloring looks suspicious and it looks to have a lacquer coating? 
  

Honestly, the lacquer should have been a big red flag.  Any gun that looks “too nice” to be original generally isn’t.   

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 8
Member Since:
June 20, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
May 26, 2024 - 10:08 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

clarence said

stavok said I don’t think it is refinished but it just looks too nice a condition to me and the case coloring looks suspicious and it looks to have a lacquer coating? 

  

Honestly, the lacquer should have been a big red flag.  Any gun that looks “too nice” to be original generally isn’t.   

  

Yup, I hear ya.  Trying to get the pictures posted…..

Avatar
Wisconsin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4360
Member Since:
May 2, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
May 26, 2024 - 10:15 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

Here are the pictures of 423547 . It had a bad restore job. The time to ask question if a gun is correct is before you buy it.

Bob

2024-05-26_170002.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170042.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170116.jpgImage Enlarger

 

2024-05-26_170139.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170235.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170304.jpgImage Enlarger

 

2024-05-26_170349.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170425.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170444.jpgImage Enlarger

 

2024-05-26_170515.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170558.jpgImage Enlarger

WACA Life Member---
NRA Life Member----
Cody Firearms member since 1991
Researching the Winchester 1873's

73_86cutaway.jpg

Email: [email protected]

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 8
Member Since:
June 20, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
May 26, 2024 - 10:22 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

1873man said
Here are the pictures. It had a bad restore job. The time to ask question if a gun is correct is before you buy it.

Bob

2024-05-26_170002.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170042.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170116.jpgImage Enlarger

 

 

2024-05-26_170139.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170235.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170304.jpgImage Enlarger

 

2024-05-26_170349.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170425.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170444.jpgImage Enlarger

 

 

2024-05-26_170515.jpgImage Enlarger2024-05-26_170558.jpgImage Enlarger

  

Price was $3250.  Everything looked too crisp to cause it to be refinished (to my amature eye anyway).  Hell, from what I’ve seen auction results, I can strip the refinish and it’s still worth the price???  I can back out and loose $100 deposit at worst.  Should I back out?

Avatar
Melbourne Australia
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 193
Member Since:
July 14, 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
May 26, 2024 - 10:28 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

You should definitely back out. The $100 is not as bad as losing the $3250

A man can never have too many WINCHESTERS...

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 8
Member Since:
June 20, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
May 26, 2024 - 10:31 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Well, now that I can zoom in on the photos, I’m not liking that lettering.  Lesson:  bring your reading glasses when gun shopping!

Avatar
Wisconsin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4360
Member Since:
May 2, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
May 26, 2024 - 10:35 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

You can strip it but you will still be left with the homemade model stamp on the upper tang and I assume the serial number has been restamped as well. The gun is not worth it even stripped. You have to be happy with what you got.

Bob

WACA Life Member---
NRA Life Member----
Cody Firearms member since 1991
Researching the Winchester 1873's

73_86cutaway.jpg

Email: [email protected]

Avatar
Wisconsin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4360
Member Since:
May 2, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
May 26, 2024 - 10:45 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

For 3250 you could of gotten a original 32 with quite a bit of blue.

Bob

WACA Life Member---
NRA Life Member----
Cody Firearms member since 1991
Researching the Winchester 1873's

73_86cutaway.jpg

Email: [email protected]

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 8
Member Since:
June 20, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11
May 26, 2024 - 10:51 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

A huge and heartfelt thank you to Bob and the forum.  A valuable resource that is most appreciated!

Should the seller want to renegotiate, what would be a fair price- or should I just run away from this lipsticked pig?

Avatar
Wisconsin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4360
Member Since:
May 2, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
12
May 26, 2024 - 11:26 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

It’s better to put your money in a original gun.

Bob

WACA Life Member---
NRA Life Member----
Cody Firearms member since 1991
Researching the Winchester 1873's

73_86cutaway.jpg

Email: [email protected]

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6627
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
13
May 27, 2024 - 12:15 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

ps. It does not have a cleaning rod compartment like my previous examples.  stavok said

Wood hasn’t merely been refinished–it’s a replacement.

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 8
Member Since:
June 20, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
14
May 27, 2024 - 12:34 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

clarence said

ps. It does not have a cleaning rod compartment like my previous examples.  stavok said

Wood hasn’t merely been refinished–it’s a replacement.

  

That explains why it is in such good condition!  He had a couple other 1873’s that were pretty beat up but (also) none of them had cleaning rod compartments- so should all 1873’s have a cleaning rod compartment?

Avatar
Wisconsin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4360
Member Since:
May 2, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
15
May 27, 2024 - 12:44 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

No, 32 caliber and the 22 calibers did not have cleaning rod trapdoors in the butt plate even thou all stocks were drilled with the hole for the rods. Send me the serial number so I can add it to my survey of 73’s

Bob

stavok said
That explains why it is in such good condition!  He had a couple other 1873’s that were pretty beat up but (also) none of them had cleaning rod compartments- so should all 1873’s have a cleaning rod compartment?

  

WACA Life Member---
NRA Life Member----
Cody Firearms member since 1991
Researching the Winchester 1873's

73_86cutaway.jpg

Email: [email protected]

Avatar
North Texas
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 369
Member Since:
April 30, 2023
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
16
May 27, 2024 - 3:27 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

stavok said
A huge and heartfelt thank you to Bob and the forum.  A valuable resource that is most appreciated!

Should the seller want to renegotiate, what would be a fair price- or should I just run away from this lipsticked pig?

  

Fair price would only be fair if you’re OK with a non-original gun but I doubt they’d sell it for what any of us here would pay. For perspective I recently got the same gun, 32 caliber but with fancy wood stocks/half mag and (maybe) special order sights for $2600, with some orig bluing in a local auction. This one is nowhere close to a pristine gun that would bring $xx,xxx but you can get nice original ones for decent money. I’d pass and spend that money on a nice original if you have it in your budget, which I assume you do since you were looking at this one!

20240203_145425.jpgImage Enlarger20240203_145511.jpgImage Enlarger20240203_145516.jpgImage Enlarger20240203_145536.jpgImage Enlarger20240203_150151.jpgImage Enlarger20240203_145451.jpgImage Enlarger

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 8
Member Since:
June 20, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
17
May 27, 2024 - 7:33 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Got my deposit back.  Seller was pretty upset but then again was crabby from the beginning.  Claimed to be an expert and said rifle was not refinished so will likely try to pass off again as original.  All in, it cost me a few gallons of gas and a couple hours of time but the education was “priceless”.  Serial number was 423547B.  I can’t attest 100% that is correct as I forgot my readers (big lesson learned) and someone else had to read the number- but I have no reason to doubt it was correct.  Sale was in Loveland, CO. Seller had a ton of other cool stuff but everything was overpriced so nothing lost as far as future purchases.

Bob, can you edit the title to include the serial number so as to increase the chances a prospective future buyer will see it?

Thanks again to the members who commented and to Bob and the forum for the education and grief you all saved me!!! All the best….

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4391
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
18
May 27, 2024 - 7:59 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

stavok said
Got my deposit back.  Seller was pretty upset but then again was crabby from the beginning.  Claimed to be an expert and said rifle was not refinished so will likely try to pass off again as original.  All in, it cost me a few gallons of gas and a couple hours of time but the education was “priceless”.  Serial number was 423547B.  I can’t attest 100% that is correct as I forgot my readers (big lesson learned) and someone else had to read the number- but I have no reason to doubt it was correct.  Sale was in Loveland, CO. Seller had a ton of other cool stuff but everything was overpriced so nothing lost as far as future purchases.

Bob, can you edit the title to include the serial number so as to increase the chances a prospective future buyer will see it?

Thanks again to the members who commented and to Bob and the forum for the education and grief you all saved me!!! All the best….

  

Glad it worked out for you.  I hope you keep coming back.  There’s a lot that can be learned here.  

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6627
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
19
May 27, 2024 - 9:03 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

stavok said Claimed to be an expert and said rifle was not refinished so will likely try to pass off again as original. 
  

Likely?  You think?

Avatar
Wisconsin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4360
Member Since:
May 2, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
20
May 27, 2024 - 9:15 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Stavok,

Glad it worked out for you. If the seller truly believes it is original, the asking price would of been a lot higher. I can’t change the post title but i can edit my post with the pictures. I checked the serial and it didn’t show up in my survey of 73’s so it now in there.

Bob

WACA Life Member---
NRA Life Member----
Cody Firearms member since 1991
Researching the Winchester 1873's

73_86cutaway.jpg

Email: [email protected]

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 778
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 6627
TXGunNut: 5265
Chuck: 4732
steve004: 4391
1873man: 4359
Big Larry: 2380
twobit: 2326
mrcvs: 1803
TR: 1738
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 17
Topics: 13028
Posts: 113903

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1819
Members: 8999
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation