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This possibly one of kind special order Deluxe carbine is accompanied by a letter from the Buffalo Bill Historical center documenting the full configuration of this rifle and states as follows. Model 1892 , Serial number applied May 27 1905.
http://auctions.morphyauctions.com/_M__RARE_SPECIAL_ORDER_DELUXE_WINCHESTER_1892_CARB-LOT450575.aspx
Here’s another very interesting scoped Winchester:
jwm94 said
This possibly one of kind special order Deluxe carbine is accompanied by a letter from the Buffalo Bill Historical center documenting the full configuration of this rifle and states as follows. Model 1892 , Serial number applied May 27 1905.http://auctions.morphyauctions.com/_M__RARE_SPECIAL_ORDER_DELUXE_WINCHESTER_1892_CARB-LOT450575.aspx
Here’s another very interesting scoped Winchester:
That 1892 is an amazing rifle for sure. The only thing that I can not make sense out of is why after all the extra money that the person who ordered it spent on it did they NOY get a barrel without a rear sight dovetail cut into it???? I haven’t taken the time to add up all the cost of the extras on the gun but it easily came close to doubling the cost and then not spend 50 cents for a clean barrel?
Both of my scoped 1892’s have offset proofs.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 7, 2015
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Nice! It’s not every day you see an 1892 with all those upgrades. Wood is simply fantastic. That 1890 is a bit over the top but I can’t help but like it. I bought Lotto tickets tonight so I can dream, right?
Mike
I guess that having a Patent date of February 9, 1909 on the barrel of the 1892 carbine with a DOM of 1905 is not unusual?
Also, what does the “B4” in the barrel marking mean?
I was just curious.
About the dovetail in the barrel. It does not have the typical Winchester circular milling marks in it so I may have been added later by the owners. This carbine also could have been taken from stock and the scope added to fill the order is another possibility. The proof marks are in the standard position so they don’t prove anything.
The B4 marking would refer to B4 scope on it.
jampard said
I guess that having a Patent date of February 9, 1909 on the barrel of the 1892 carbine with a DOM of 1905 is not unusual?Also, what does the “B4” in the barrel marking mean?
I was just curious.
Jampard,
That 1909 patent date is on the scope NOT the barrel. At first glance it is deceiving. Notice that the tube is above the barrel band.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Michael: I agree.
CJS57: Excellent point about the proof marks being in the standard position and not proving anything. Some folks get entirely too wrapped up in off set proof marks and distance between blocks in trying to determine whether or not a piece is factory scoped.
About the scope: The scope looks to be refinished as it should have red enamel in the graduations of the adjusting parts.
Off for some early grocery shopping.
James
I think Jampards statement was directed at the B4 scope being at least 5 years NEWER than the 1905 DoM of the 1892. The B4 was not introduced until 1910.
While it is certainly possible that 1905 Model 1892 sat around for 5 years at Winchester before having the B4 scope added OR, possibly the rifle was returned to Winchester to have the scope added after 1909. I would like to see the ledger entry, including any R&R entries, and the date it left the warehouse for this rifle before I would be comfortable with the scope on it.
I agree with James in that the side offset proofs did not become in-vogue until the mid-1930’s, prior to that they were place wherever it was convenient and they would not be obliterated.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
RIA doesn’t show a picture of the letter, but they list what’s in the letter.
Model 1892 , Serial number applied May 27 1905. Carbine, Caliber 25-20 , Checkered stock, Pistol Grip . Sights, Winchester telescope B-4, Lyman Improved rear#1A, Lyman front. Smokeless. 1/2 Magazine, Shotgun Butt , Screw Eyes . Received in warehouse March 03, 1910 . Shipped warehouse March 04, 1910.
So it looks like Winchester pulled a receiver that sat around for five years.
I agree JWA, it would be nice to see the ledger entry.
Al
tionesta1 said
RIA doesn’t show a picture of the letter, but they list what’s in the letter.Model 1892 , Serial number applied May 27 1905. Carbine, Caliber 25-20 , Checkered stock, Pistol Grip . Sights, Winchester telescope B-4, Lyman Improved rear#1A, Lyman front. Smokeless. 1/2 Magazine, Shotgun Butt , Screw Eyes . Received in warehouse March 03, 1910 . Shipped warehouse March 04, 1910.
So it looks like Winchester pulled a receiver that sat around for five years.
I agree JWA, it would be nice to see the ledger entry.
Al
I missed the description of the letter at RIA. It appears as if the warehouse dates support the B4 scope and would make that 1892 a very early factory scoped rifle.
Thanks for posting the letter info, it answers the question.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
Good morning from Houston,
In my studies of the Model 1892 ledgers there are many instance when small batches of receivers have commonly sat (apparently some where out of harms way) for years before they were finally assembled into full rifles. What is pretty consistent among these groups is that the final rifles are typically VERY unique configurations and/or deluxe configurations. It may be that these receivers were deemed extremely fine when they were manufactured and set aside for those purchasers who wanted the very best.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
twobit said
Good morning from Houston,In my studies of the Model 1892 ledgers there are many instance when small batches of receivers have commonly sat (apparently some where out of harms way) for years before they were finally assembled into full rifles. What is pretty consistent among these groups is that the final rifles are typically VERY unique configurations and/or deluxe configurations. It may be that these receivers were deemed extremely fine when they were manufactured and set aside for those purchasers who wanted the very best.
Michael
Hi Michael,
That is an interesting observation and I completely agree. Unfortunately, the fakers/forgers also usually concentrate on “upgrading” rifles to those same “VERY unique and/or deluxe configurations” so that is why I am always cautious.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
I agree this is a very fine and interesting piece. Deluxe features on the carbine variation of the Model 1892 are rare enough, but the presence of a factory mounted scope… on a CARBINE… really gets my attention. Wonderful condition, good documentation all adds to a wonderful package. Have we seen this one sell before?
steve004 said
I agree this is a very fine and interesting piece. Deluxe features on the carbine variation of the Model 1892 are rare enough, but the presence of a factory mounted scope… on a CARBINE… really gets my attention. Wonderful condition, good documentation all adds to a wonderful package. Have we seen this one sell before?
Steve,
This is the first time this rifle has been for sale in the past 7 years. At least that I have seen.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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