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Identifying Model 70
January 14, 2020
8:44 pm
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First of all im new to the gun world so im not very well educated.. im looking at a Model 70. i havent physically seen the rifle yet so im trying to do some research about it ...as of now all i know is it is a Model 70.. not 100% sure but they think it is a 25-06 Caliber and says the Serial is 83665 which from what i found would make it a 1948? doesn't seem to be that old but what do i know.. the only thing really throwing me off is the engraving on the stock.. i've looked and looked and cannot find the stock design anywhere.. any info is appreciated Thanks! it is Rifle #20 https://www.badgerstateauction.com/Estate-Auction-Milton-WI-January-18-2020/photos.htm

January 15, 2020
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I suspect that the serial number has one more digit than what you mention (83665x). Winchester did not chamber any of the pre-1964 production Model 70 rifles for the 25-06 cartridge.

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January 15, 2020
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Hi thatbluegx90-

Bert's right of course...

There were no pre-64 M70s chambered in 25-06 made as part of catalogued production.  Which lot # in the link you posted is the gun you're looking at... There are several possible pre-64 guns in there so knowing which one you're looking at might help figure out if it's a non-factory rebarrel or a modified 257 ROBERTS (???).

Thanks,

Lou

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January 15, 2020
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 That auction has a 1886 listed in caliber 38-58 wcf, obvious mistake. The model 70 is lot 20 and lists the caliber 25-?? T/R

January 15, 2020
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Hi thatbluegx90-

Lot 20 in that auction is an attractive custom built pre-64 M70 with a non-factory stainless barrel chambered in an unknown 25 caliber cartridge:

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Assuming that the S/N is 83655, the receiver dates to 1948 and is probably a type II-1, meaning "cloverleaf" tang with a smooth bridge that was factory D&T for a top mounted scope.  The stock is custom and appears very nicely done.  If the quality of workmanship is there the rifle would make an attractive shooter (although maybe too pretty to risk scratching).Laugh Definitely worth checking out in person if you live close and find it appealing.

There are several other pre-64 M70s in the auction that are probably in original configuration, but from what I can see most have been altered in some way or other, like non-factory recoil pads, replaced swivel studs, refinishing, etc.  

If you see any M70(s) there in person that you find attractive and have questions, you can always snap some pics and e-mail them to me (luttrell@musc.edu) and I can probably give you a fair idea what you're looking at.  I won't be a competing bidder, so no there's concern I'll mess-up your chances.

Good luck!!!

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January 15, 2020
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Louis Luttrell said
The stock is custom and appears very nicely done. 

Name of maker could make big difference in value, but quite commonly, they aren't marked.  Such fancy checkering has to be perfect, or it's a liability, not an asset.  Odd that two cross-bolts were added for a .25-06, as there're not ordinarily used except for cartridges of heavy recoil.   

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