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Help me ID and 1885 Plain Sporting Rifle
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April 16, 2025 - 6:32 pm
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Several years ago I became the owner of this rifle Serial #2695

Currently has a #1 bbl chambered for 38-55 — 28 inches long 

I’ll do my best on some pictures—everyone feel free to comment or add your input.  

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I acquired it because I wanted an 1885 in 38-55. There was no pretense by the seller that it was original or unaltered – the price was right. It’s very accurate and I’ve enjoyed shooting it. Just looking for some context and trying to figure out how to describe it properly. 9B2C556C-6778-4023-A196-EBF380C14486.jpegImage Enlarger37E3C1DE-166D-4872-9A00-89B4A7B04AE7.jpegImage EnlargerC975CA78-7155-4FE7-AE29-7B0ECFD20393.jpegImage Enlarger6647D8A7-3950-471A-AAC4-8D104EC8E1EF.jpegImage Enlarger2D7A1F35-F67D-4B63-A3FC-1BE9ACBFDBBF.jpegImage Enlarger3EA7A4EC-CAF6-412E-8E5D-1F96F511B221.jpegImage Enlarger3D957F4E-AB63-48B5-B371-E43037B6099B.jpegImage Enlarger3F89127A-DFA8-4C2A-BECC-2FA04B32C78B.jpegImage Enlarger767BCADA-80B9-4E22-8E5D-9278D1D0541C.jpegImage Enlarger

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Paul,

As originally manufactured, it was a Plain Sporting Rifle, 32 Rim fire (32 Short), 26-inch No. 1 octagon barrel.  It is a 1st variation low-wall.

The pictures tell me that the barrel has been replaced, and the butt stock is a well made replacement.  My question is this… does it have a center fire breech block or is still the original rim fire breech block that has been modified?  If you can, please post a picture showing the top of the breech block, and all markings found on the barrel.

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Hopefully Bert sees this. 

It appears to be a standard low wall.  But I am not sure about the 28″ barrel?  I have a 38-55 highwall with a 28″ barrel.  It has a non standard front sight and an added tang sight.  I don’t have this in my hands but the finish looks like the rifle may have been stripped and re finished?  A picture of the barrel address would help.  You need to get a Factory Letter.

The best thing is that you collect what you like.

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Bert types faster than me and knows his stuff.  Plus he saved you the price of the letter.

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Don’t know enough to discern on the breech block.  Tried to get a closeup picture.  The barrel markings under the stock aren’t legible. 5B94077B-19D5-4583-ACB5-42C8348D5108.jpegImage Enlarger77D3AE11-FCA0-46C5-97F1-6069A3761DB6.jpegImage Enlarger2B3BD532-C6A6-4C02-A285-9E370E33B728.jpegImage Enlarger0B672523-8B10-43E9-83EB-76FCC63E0330.jpegImage Enlarger Muzzle wasnt done very well. Took the Lyman tang sight off and there is an extra threaded hole with a filler/plug in it

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Paul,

Your low-wall rifle has the original rim fire breech block.  It was undoubtedly altered (reworked) to install a center fire firing pin.

The breech blocks that were made for the center fire cartridges were drilled with a vertical vent hole (see the attached picture).

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Forgive my ignorance, but is the low wall action strong enough for the 38-55 ?  All the 38-55 Model 1885 rifles I have seen were high walls.

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Forgive my ignorance, but is the low wall action strong enough for the 38-55 ?  All the 38-55 Model 1885 rifles I have seen were high walls.  

Probably.  A few years ago a one of a kind low wall .38-56 was for sale on Gunbroker, manufactured as such.

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Blue Ridge Parson said
Forgive my ignorance, but is the low wall action strong enough for the 38-55 ?  All the 38-55 Model 1885 rifles I have seen were high walls.

BRP

The 1st and the 3rd variation low-wall receiver frames are somewhat more robust than the 2nd variation low-wall (the most common of the three types).  Winchester did manufacture a very small number of low-wall rifles in typical high-wall cartridges.  Specifically, I have found and verified low-wall rifles manufactured for the 32-40, 38-55, 38-56 and 40-65 cartridges

Serial number 13034 is a 1st variation low-wall and it was factory chambered for the 40-65 WCF cartridge.

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Thank you; that is very helpful.

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Thanks for all the helpful input. It’s great to have access to all the experience/expertise you all provide. PH

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