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Hefty prices at Wards Auction yesterday
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February 25, 2023 - 7:26 pm
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Always a few surprises at an auction – most of these guns were on the Grove site for a long time. Whoever bought the 3 digit, high condition Model 55 bought it right in my view. Conversley, whoever bought the Model 65 in 218 Bee really paid up for it – I sold a deluxe in 218 Bee in the last couple of years that was 98% for less than what they paid for this one. The boxed 61, which was discussed extensively on the Forum perplexes me – wonder if whoever bought it will open it and show the rest what was in the box. Nice 95’s, especially in .35 WCF and .405 have always been hard to find but also hard to sell. When you balance the supply and demand this one may have sold about right but then why could Grove not sell it?

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Always a few surprises at an auction – most of these guns were on the Grove site for a long time. Whoever bought the 3 digit, high condition Model 55 bought it right in my view. Conversley, whoever bought the Model 65 in 218 Bee really paid up for it – I sold a deluxe in 218 Bee in the last couple of years that was 98% for less than what they paid for this one. The boxed 61, which was discussed extensively on the Forum perplexes me – wonder if whoever bought it will open it and show the rest what was in the box. Nice 95’s, especially in .35 WCF and .405 have always been hard to find but also hard to sell. When you balance the supply and demand this one may have sold about right but then why could Grove not sell it?

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The .218 Bee was the big surprise for me – a few dollars short of ten grand.  I can’t see it, but that’s the way auctions go.

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Some very nice guns and a nice enough box but the prices just don’t make sense. Maybe I need to box up some guns and try my luck, looks like Grove had a very good day.

 

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The upside is it is good to see interest remains high.

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Good point, Steve.

Did you buy anything, Don? Looks like some you were watching some nice guns. Good eye!

 

 

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Some very nice guns and a nice enough box but the prices just don’t make sense. Maybe I need to box up some guns and try my luck, looks like Grove had a very good day.

 

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He sure had a good day with respect to the Model 1895 – the gun is still listed on his website at $14,900 – way cheaper than the auction price. If I was looking to spend that kind of money for a Model 1895, I would at least like one that is early enough to letter – but, that just me.

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Due to problems identified with some of the Winchesters originating from Grove, I’d really hesitate before reaching this deeply.  The possibility of a checkered past might bite you in the end.

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TXGunNut said
Good point, Steve.

Did you buy anything, Don? Looks like some you were watching some nice guns. Good eye!

 

Mike

  

Hi Mike,

The only thing I bought in this auction was this old box of Winchester 30 U.S. Army ammo.  I probably overpaid but it pairs up nicely with my deluxe model 1895 made in 1898.  I like to have at least one period correct box of ammo to go with the guns in my collection.

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/auction/91/viewitem.php?item=30032

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Dollar to a doughnut Grove doesn’t let them go. He didn’t do well at all on his 86’s, especially the deluxe in 50-100. He lost money on it. Plus it’s sketchy. 

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February 26, 2023 - 1:59 pm
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This one seems a little on the low side.  What’s wrong with it, if anything?

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/auction/91/viewitem.php?item=4028

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This one seems a little on the low side.  What’s wrong with it, if anything?

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/auction/91/viewitem.php?item=4028

  

It certainly sold well below the reserve – which is odd given so many others sold so high.  I’ll bet oldcrankyyanke scrutinized this one – it is right up his alley.  I find it odd that a museum letter doesn’t accompany a rifle like this.

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This .50-100 sold well below reserve – sold for $19047.  It’s still listed on Grove’s website for $29,000.  I think we’ve had previous discussion about this rifle.

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/auction/91/viewitem.php?item=4027

I recall there were reasons to be concerned.  

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This .50-100 sold well below reserve – sold for $19047.  It’s still listed on Grove’s website for $29,000.  I think we’ve had previous discussion about this rifle.

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/auction/91/viewitem.php?item=4027

I recall there were reasons to be concerned.  

  

Steve that rifle has never lived up to the hype. Grove is losing money “if” he lets it go. And yes there are a lot of reasons to be concerned about that one. The 45-90 deluxe is a great looking well preserved gun, a little to well preserved for me with out having it in my hands and my good pair of glasses on. Still went below estimate and I’ve got to believe he was asking way more than it fetched at the auction.

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This .50-100 sold well below reserve – sold for $19047.  It’s still listed on Grove’s website for $29,000.  I think we’ve had previous discussion about this rifle.

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/auction/91/viewitem.php?item=4027

I recall there were reasons to be concerned.  

  

Steve that rifle has never lived up to the hype. Grove is losing money “if” he lets it go. And yes there are a lot of reasons to be concerned about that one. The 45-90 deluxe is a great looking well preserved gun, a little to well preserved for me with out having it in my hands and my good pair of glasses on. Still went below estimate and I’ve got to believe he was asking way more than it fetched at the auction.

  

Tom – yes – on his website he had the .50-100 listed for $29,000 and the .45-90 – POR – so who knows how high he had that priced.  More than $29,000?  From the photos, I can’t see anything wrong with the .45-90.  But, it is nice to the point that one is suspicious.  Way too suspicious to consider going for it without an in-hand inspection.  And yes, I would definitely be wearing my reading glasses when I looked it over.  

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And one of the biggest detractors for me is the letter only notes it was r&r to factory twice. Never says anything about the conversion. It died on the vine at amoskeag a year ago also. With the juice 18,800. estimate was 20-30 k. Looks like the one that made out on this was Perry White himself, I am sure he didn’t have anything near those numbers in it. 

 As far as the 45-90, I’m willing to bet he had some where north of 25k. I’d want my jewelers loupe on when looking at that one. His ability to make flaws go away is incredible to say the least. 

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And one of the biggest detractors for me is the letter only notes it was r&r to factory twice. Never says anything about the conversion. It died on the vine at amoskeag a year ago also. With the juice 18,800. estimate was 20-30 k. Looks like the one that made out on this was Perry White himself, I am sure he didn’t have anything near those numbers in it. 

 As far as the 45-90, I’m willing to bet he had some where north of 25k. I’d want my jewelers loupe on when looking at that one. His ability to make flaws go away is incredible to say the least.   

Exactly!  The .45 -90 seemed nice but I wouldn’t want to bid on any of that stuff without vetting it in person first.  Lots of Winchester hanky panky lately due to the money they bring now.  As compared to this Savage 99 K I have.  If I told you how little I have into it you would fall out of your chair!

It is in .30 – 30 as well, 1927, Wm Gough engraved.  I tried to post photographs of the entire rifle and it said file size was too big.  What this is worth and what I have into it may be two different matters altogether, however.

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This one seems a little on the low side.  What’s wrong with it, if anything?

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/auction/91/viewitem.php?item=4028

  

lan – the wood on this gun has been replaced – look at the gap between the forearm and the magazine cap – the condition of the wood does not in any way resemble the conditon of the cased receiver and the barrel blue – how is it possible for the wood to be perfect and yet the rest of the gun have the wear that it does – if you had this gun in your lap it would be every noticable.

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As far as listed sold prices go.  I was at an Auction a few weeks ago and saw a few items hammer at a given price.  Then a few days later I was at the shop and learned some did not actually sell and a few sold later for more money.  Don’t trust everything you read.  When items don’t meet the reserve the dealers often say they sold. Used to be when an item didn’t meet the reserve it was listed that way or it was noted before hand there is a reserve.  Not so much anymore.

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This one seems a little on the low side.  What’s wrong with it, if anything?

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/auction/91/viewitem.php?item=4028

  

lan – the wood on this gun has been replaced – look at the gap between the forearm and the magazine cap – the condition of the wood does not in any way resemble the conditon of the cased receiver and the barrel blue – how is it possible for the wood to be perfect and yet the rest of the gun have the wear that it does – if you had this gun in your lap it would be every noticable.

  

Okay, that answers my questions, or at least one of them.  I thought the wood seemed too good for the condition of the barrel, with wear to the high points of the octagon barrel.  I am using my phone and could not discern the gap between the forearm and the magazine cap.  But if it’s there then it’s obvious this is problematic.

I will look at this later on the computer monitor at home.

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