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I saw that a member of our gang has posted some info for his dads collection that is being sold. I was wondering if anyone here would care look at lots 2122 and 2167? just asking for opinions and thoughts.
well since you asked for opinions.
lot 2122 after market engraving, poorly done vignette and poor condition barrel. I checked with cody just for fun and to no Suprise no mention of engraving.
lot 2167 I checked this one with cody and comes back wrong. comes back 40-82 octagon matted etc. there is a repair and return that some hopeful dreamer would argue that’s when the barrel was changed etc. gun was made 1892 R&R 1917 but if you know what your looking at there is no way that barrel was fitted in 1917. also recut checkering with sloppy missed line on forend. I’m saying swapped lower tang as fitment is poor and lines don’t match.
I had 14 in total checked at cody and all but one had issues.
lot 2027 someone took a steel scrub pad and went to town on frame in all directions. sickening hammered gouges at takedown. etc
lot 2051 pitted metal and scrubbed heavy etc.
lot 2066 no mention of wood, upgraded. very poor condition. cleaned in spots.
2093 broken lower tang at lever catch and repaired causing grinding and obliterated serial number.
I can go on and on but I think you get the idea. regards
Jeremy Scott.
WACA LIFE MEMBER, CFM MEMBER, ABKA MEMBER, JSSC MEMBER, MNO HISTORIAN
Jeremy Scott. said
well since you asked for opinions.lot 2122 after market engraving, poorly done vignette and poor condition barrel. I checked with cody just for fun and to no Suprise no mention of engraving.
lot 2167 I checked this one with cody and comes back wrong. comes back 40-82 octagon matted etc. there is a repair and return that some hopeful dreamer would argue that’s when the barrel was changed etc. gun was made 1892 R&R 1917 but if you know what your looking at there is no way that barrel was fitted in 1917. also recut checkering with sloppy missed line on forend. I’m saying swapped lower tang as fitment is poor and lines don’t match.
I had 14 in total checked at cody and all but one had issues.
lot 2027 someone took a steel scrub pad and went to town on frame in all directions. sickening hammered gouges at takedown. etc
lot 2051 pitted metal and scrubbed heavy etc.
lot 2066 no mention of wood, upgraded. very poor condition. cleaned in spots.
2093 broken lower tang at lever catch and repaired causing grinding and obliterated serial number.
I can go on and on but I think you get the idea. regards
I know the engraving on that 66 was not factory. The deer gave that away! Seems like an old conversion that never dies about the quality of old engravings. The 86 is a little bit of a head knocker with Sheard stamping on the barrel though. Could they have done the barrel swap? BTW nice catch on the re checking on the fore stock.
steve004 said
Oldcranky –Are you now after M1866’s as well?
Not to much, never hurts to look. I would eventually like to do as Burt Humphry has and have at least one of the 19th century models. I was more interested in the 86 I asked about, not now.
oldcrankyyankee said
Jeremy Scott. said
well since you asked for opinions.
lot 2122 after market engraving, poorly done vignette and poor condition barrel. I checked with cody just for fun and to no Suprise no mention of engraving.
lot 2167 I checked this one with cody and comes back wrong. comes back 40-82 octagon matted etc. there is a repair and return that some hopeful dreamer would argue that’s when the barrel was changed etc. gun was made 1892 R&R 1917 but if you know what your looking at there is no way that barrel was fitted in 1917. also recut checkering with sloppy missed line on forend. I’m saying swapped lower tang as fitment is poor and lines don’t match.
I had 14 in total checked at cody and all but one had issues.
lot 2027 someone took a steel scrub pad and went to town on frame in all directions. sickening hammered gouges at takedown. etc
lot 2051 pitted metal and scrubbed heavy etc.
lot 2066 no mention of wood, upgraded. very poor condition. cleaned in spots.
2093 broken lower tang at lever catch and repaired causing grinding and obliterated serial number.
I can go on and on but I think you get the idea. regards
I know the engraving on that 66 was not factory. The deer gave that away! Seems like an old conversion that never dies about the quality of old engravings. The 86 is a little bit of a head knocker with Sheard stamping on the barrel though. Could they have done the barrel swap? BTW nice catch on the re checking on the fore stock.
The 66, #2122, sold for $13,200 + the buyers fee – comments above are spot on – I don’t get it!
Burt Humphrey said
The 66, #2122, sold for $13,200 + the buyers fee – comments above are spot on – I don’t get it!
Well heeled, but ignorant, bidders; is that news?
clarence said
Burt Humphrey said
The 66, #2122, sold for $13,200 + the buyers fee – comments above are spot on – I don’t get it!
Well heeled, but ignorant, bidders; is that news?
It is not news and we see it in almost every auction. I just don’t get why collectors (accumulators) want to spend that kind of money on a gun that is not original, very poor condition and has been severly messed with (poor quality, non factory engraving). I understand we all like different things and can spend our money how we want to but a 66 Winchester is only valuable as a collector and the gun is not a collector piece. I think it is really sad so many of these guns that are not right have desirability and are being tucked away everyday by collectors that do not get educated and do not do their homework. I imagine there are some that do not know and some that do not care.
Jeremy Scott. said
well since you asked for opinions.lot 2122 after market engraving, poorly done vignette and poor condition barrel. I checked with cody just for fun and to no Suprise no mention of engraving.
lot 2167 I checked this one with cody and comes back wrong. comes back 40-82 octagon matted etc. there is a repair and return that some hopeful dreamer would argue that’s when the barrel was changed etc. gun was made 1892 R&R 1917 but if you know what your looking at there is no way that barrel was fitted in 1917. also recut checkering with sloppy missed line on forend. I’m saying swapped lower tang as fitment is poor and lines don’t match.
I had 14 in total checked at cody and all but one had issues.
lot 2027 someone took a steel scrub pad and went to town on frame in all directions. sickening hammered gouges at takedown. etc
lot 2051 pitted metal and scrubbed heavy etc.
lot 2066 no mention of wood, upgraded. very poor condition. cleaned in spots.
2093 broken lower tang at lever catch and repaired causing grinding and obliterated serial number.
I can go on and on but I think you get the idea. regards
# 2066 at $16,100.00 + the juice just takes my breath away.
mrcvs said
Can you post a link to this auction?
its in the swap meet section and the post is dads old winchesters
Thank you.
Since I like the Model 1886, I checked out lot 2058. Sold for $3900. Leaves me scratching my head. In a caliber not available in 1901 (.33 WCF), incorrect markings on barrel, proof mark on barrel, not on receiver, but shouldn’t be any at all as pre 1905, restocked, checkering not period, probably reblued receiver, etc. A 3 figure firearm…not $3900.
Lot #2199 had me shaking my head as well… Model 12, 28 gauge (barrel) in a 16ga carrier on a 16ga receiver does not equal $6,100 plus fees, IMO.
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The Model 1892’s in the auction sold for reasonable prices.
Michael
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