Dave K. said
Also search YouTube. I see lots of full length old Hollywood western and spaghetti western movies are being posted there and some are quite high quality plus they are free. Best if you have a smart TV or a Roku box.I caught an error in Godless in episode 5 in a flash back with a boy Roy Goode on horseback beside the villain Frank and Frank says something like “this is a Winchester 73” and starts to pull a an 1866 out of the saddle scabbard to show him.
That reminds me, someone was complaining about the sideways flip-up of the rifle in Winchester 73. I also noticed Jimmy loading each round completely in before loading the next, instead of feeding one part way in and pushing it the rest of the way with the next round.
As to the flip up, I can see it. Six of one, half dozen of the other. When holding the rifle out in front of me, that crescent butt does seem to slide in a little easier when flipping it in from the side, as opposed to pulling it straight up.
I just watched “Badland” on Netflix. Not an A movie, not a B movie. Do they have a C movie? Weak plot, and the dialogue was horrible. Whoever wrote the script needs shot. And I need a medal for finishing the movie. Another failed attempt at a brooding western. The hero loves to strike a pose.
Some horse tack was okay (some half-seat, Sam Stag, etc.) though Wes Studi’s saddle blanket was modern. I know it’s perfectly acceptable and it’s done, but seeing two different men dismounting on the right was strange.
Some set decoration was okay, but some was out of place.
The hero had a Spencer (I think) rifle, which he employed. I saw a Henry employed, and lots off SAAs. Some SXS street sweepers. The gun fights were okay but average.
Your mileage may vary.
He’s a Pinkerton after the war, taking out Confederate war criminals for a black boss. If you think that’s PC, then you may not like it for that reason.
You’ve been warned. But if you really have nothing else to do, and you’ve had a few drinks, it might be fun.
Huck Riley said
He’s a Pinkerton after the war, taking out Confederate war criminals for a black boss. If you think that’s PC, then you may not like it for that reason.
You’ve been warned. But if you really have nothing else to do, and you’ve had a few drinks, it might be fun.
If that’s not PC, planned & calculated, not inadvertent, then up is down & east is west.
I also found Badland a terrible movie. The protagonist is a private detective who is tasked to personally and summarily hang Confederate war criminals after he serves them with an arrest warrant issued by a politician. How absurd is that ? I won’t ruin the ending for anyone who may want to watch the movie but it is so ridiculously implausible as to be hilarious. It would compare favourable with the armoured knight sword fight in Monte Python’s “In Search of the Holy Grail” in case you have seen that movie. The old single shot Spencer is a nice touch ( but why not a repeating Winchester?” as is the lovely blonde female protagonist in her trendy cowgirl garments.
I think the Spencer was a repeater. But yes, there should have been more Winchesters. At least Monty Python was trying to be funny. Didn’t you just love it when the Detective came walking out of the barn with his head down. These people are totally lacking in situational awareness and he would have been shot then, if not by the SXS on the porch after winning the fight in the yard. The sheriff would have killed his dumb ass after the waterboarding. Which reminds me: The sheriff gives the speech about his “skill set” and engages in waterboarding, all pulled from modern parlance. Jeesh! Oh well, enough of that.
I surfed through the Netflix offerings this morning for stuff I have not seen:
The Ballad of Lefty Brown;
Big Kill;
The Killer;
The Outsider;
Justice;
Buffalo Boys (trained in the wild west but ply their trade in the orient).
Yes, I live life on the edge if I subject myself to these movies. Hope there is a gem in there somewhere.
Kevin Jones said
What did you guys think of “Hostiles” on NetFlix as well?
It’s been a while since I watched that. I can’t remember, but I think I had questions about chronology and time-line accuracy. I don’t remember the guns. I liked the Indians dealing with other Indians along the way. I had to willingly suspend my disbelief when it came to the U.S. going to all the trouble, delivering the Indian, defending the Indian at the end, and whatnot. But I certainly did not walk away from that movie feeling like I’d been assaulted. All in all, I would give it a thumbs up. If I recall, the scenery was outstanding.
Huck Riley said
Yes, I live life on the edge if I subject myself to these movies. Hope there is a gem in there somewhere.
Any “gems” would be released in theaters. The “edge” all viewers risk is mental degradation caused by repeated exposure to such tripe. Never forget that modern Hollywood (in fact, the entire entertainment industry) is now (but not in H’wood’s Golden Age) firmly in the camp of the radical left. Do you wish to support that agenda?
Quality video entertainment free of PC indoctrination, or at least the most strident expressions of it, is not hard to find: there’s TCM broadcasting 24/7, & streaming-channels like my favorite, Curiosity Stream.
clarence said
Any “gems” would be released in theaters. The “edge” all viewers risk is mental degradation caused by repeated exposure to such tripe. Never forget that modern Hollywood (in fact, the entire entertainment industry) is now (but not in H’wood’s Golden Age) firmly in the camp of the radical left. Do you wish to support that agenda?
Quality video entertainment free of PC indoctrination, or at least the most strident expressions of it, is not hard to find: there’s TCM broadcasting 24/7, & streaming-channels like my favorite, Curiosity Stream.
If you hate PC then you’d hate The Lone Ranger; believed to be based upon the life of Bass Reeves. You’d also hate the most widely acclaimed, Golden Age Western of all time: The Searchers. Ethan Edwards is believed to be based upon the life of Brit Johnson.
Reeves and Johnson, both black men; but the PC of the H’wood’s “Golden Age” was full of more s**t than Django Unchained. I reckon blacks who knew about Reeves and Johnson back in the day felt about the Golden Age the way you feel about Hollywood today. But blacks back in the day probably didn’t know about them because of, well, PC, and the re-writing of American History to make some folks feel better about themselves.
Face it: Fiction is a lie calling for the willing suspension of disbelief in the pursuit of entertainment. Fiction is not for everyone. Good story telling is. For that reason, I love Django Unchained. LOL!
I don’t think the Edge falls into what I call a Western. The 86 sure did. I’ve watched Django a couple of times but it is not high on my list. I love to watch the 50’s westerns but find them hokey. I tend to like the modern movies that are most truthful without being too politically correct. Politically correct can be very one-sided these days. The old ways weren’t always the best ways either.
Huck Riley said
If you hate PC then you’d hate The Lone Ranger; believed to be based upon the life of Bass Reeves.
Show me some evidence (beyond the inventions of historical revisionists, a flourishing trade) that the creator of The Lone Ranger character, George Trendle, had ever heard of Bass Reeves. Wiki say this about the creation of the original radio program:
“Late in 1932, Trendle began discussing ideas to create a new radio series with a cowboy as the hero. He wanted a mysterious hero who would have the same type of appeal as Zorro or Robin Hood. The target audience included children, so Trendle insisted on a wholesome hero with high moral standards. Violence and romance were to be minimized. Trendle worked out the basic concept of a masked vigilante, a lone Texas ranger with a big white horse, in staff meetings with Jim Jewell and studio manager Harold True. Then it was turned over to Fran Striker to flesh out the details and provide the scripts. His contributions included silver bullets and an Indian companion. The result was The Lone Ranger, which began broadcasting January 30, 1933, on WXYZ and the seven other stations of the Michigan Regional Network.”
Maybe there’s more to the story, but where is the slightest resemblance to the career of Reeves in this account of the character’s creation? If the true story of Reeves had been so carefully concealed, how did Trendle, a movie & TV producer, not a Western historian, learn about it?
clarence said
Huck Riley said
If you hate PC then you’d hate The Lone Ranger; believed to be based upon the life of Bass Reeves.Show me some evidence (beyond the inventions of historical revisionists, a flourishing trade) that the creator of The Lone Ranger character, George Trendle, had ever heard of Bass Reeves. Wiki say this about the creation of the original radio program:
“Late in 1932, Trendle began discussing ideas to create a new radio series with a cowboy as the hero. He wanted a mysterious hero who would have the same type of appeal as Zorro or Robin Hood. The target audience included children, so Trendle insisted on a wholesome hero with high moral standards. Violence and romance were to be minimized. Trendle worked out the basic concept of a masked vigilante, a lone Texas ranger with a big white horse, in staff meetings with Jim Jewell and studio manager Harold True. Then it was turned over to Fran Striker to flesh out the details and provide the scripts. His contributions included silver bullets and an Indian companion. The result was The Lone Ranger, which began broadcasting January 30, 1933, on WXYZ and the seven other stations of the Michigan Regional Network.”
Maybe there’s more to the story, but where is the slightest resemblance to the career of Reeves in this account of the character’s creation? If the true story of Reeves had been so carefully concealed, how did Trendle, a movie & TV producer, not a Western historian, learn about it?
Check out Morgan, Thad (August 31, 2018). Also, Burton makes this argument based on the sheer number of people Reeves arrested without taking any serious injury, coupled with many of these arrested were incarcerated in the Detroit House of Correction, the same city where the Lone Ranger radio plays were broadcast on WXYZ. In other words, Reeves character comes closer to what Trendle was shooting for than most any other law man of the era (many of whom were know to walk both sides of the fence).
In any event, where “your” history is proven to be FOS, and the re-writing of history is designed to do exactly what is alleged to have happened here, I would place the burden on you to prove Reeves wasn’t the man behind the idea. Why is that reasonable? Because you say “beyond the invention of historical revisionists”. That is exactly what you are being charged with supporting.
Or are you saying that the Lone Ranger could only be realistic if he was white? Yeah, it wouldn’t be believable if he was black. Same as John Wayne in the Searchers.
From what I have read about Bass Reeves his exploits and integrity as a deputy U.S. Marshal are more interesting than any fictional western lawman. No movie was made until 2010 of this very courageous lawman of the old west but I suspect that had he been white the film industry would have made at least one back in the early days of Hollywood or Televison . We have all heard about or watched movies and television shows of Hickok, Earp ,Cody and Bridger etc. since childhood but how many ever heard of Bass Reeves, Jim Beckwourth or any other black person of the Old West? Not many I suspect. If I recall correctly the first black actor to get a starring role in a western movie (albeit a comedy) was Richard Pryor as Sheriff Bart in Blazing Saddles and that was 1974. If this is PC or historical revisionism then bring it on.
Dave K. said
From what I have read about Bass Reeves his exploits and integrity as a deputy U.S. Marshal are more interesting than any fictional western lawman. I am surprised that a movie has never been made of this very courageous lawman of the old west but I suspect that had he been white the film industry would have made several by this time. We have all heard about Hickok, Earp ,Cody and Bridger since childhood but how many ever heard of Bass or Beckwourth even to this day?Not many I suspect.
I grew up near, and spent a lot of time (still do) where Beckworth led Crows (about 750) in wiping out Blackfeet (160) in a battle. I’ve got a trade point and some muzzle loader slugs from when I was a kid. Anyway, I wrote a paper about him in college. Interesting thing I found in doing research: It is widely known, or assumed that he was a notorious liar, as it is believed many Mountain Men were. So, when he told a story that was almost identical to Colter’s run, people just figured he was FOS. But I found a letter written by an Army Officer who just happened to be stopped over at Bents Fort, in south-east Colorado. He told a story about a black man who came stumbling into the fort, emaciated, tore up, starving and cold, with feet swollen beyond recognition and full of cactus spines. He claimed to have been captured by Indians, stripped, given a head start and forced to run for his life. Beckworth’s name was not mentioned.
During their specific “runs”, Colter and Beckworth ran in different country at different times with different Indians. It seemed entirely plausible to me that different Indians may have done this as a “thing”, and that it was not really just a one-of with Colter. It may have happened to many guys, but most, of course, were never heard of again. Any way, Beckworth carried his balls around in wheelbarrow. As did Edward Rose and other black Mountain Men.
One of my all time favorite quotes comes from the author of a Colter book:
“In some western states this technique of elaboration to the point where it merges into untruth, is called “stuffing dudes.” Every native born westerner numbers among his inalienable rights the license to use this technique upon occasion, and considers it a gross breach of hospitality if a visitor leaves without having had a few whoppers thrown in with the usual descriptions of the country and it’s customs. Several subjects are rarely discussed under such circumstances without stretching the truth, and in telling the Colter legend, by tradition, it has become almost compulsory to exaggerate. And since no one can study Colter’s accomplishments without being affected to some degree by the contagious desire to improve on truth, I have thought it wise to work off my touch of the disease in Chapter One. Stern searchers after fact are hereby directed to begin reading at Chapter Two.
. . .
The men of the frontier believed that if a yarn told with punctilious respect for the truth fell on unbelieving ears, it was proper to elaborate on the story and make it a good one.
. . .
Therefore, it is obvious that the traditional ridicule of the stories about Colter’s Hell did not originate with his contemporaries, but rather with those who preferred to rely upon the writings of cloistered, learned men and scoffed at the reports of those who told of what they had actually seen.”
John Colter, His Years in the Rockies, By Burton Harris, Bison Books, University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln and London, 1993.
Huck Riley said In any event, where “your” history is proven to be FOS, and the re-writing of history is designed to do exactly what is alleged to have happened here, I would place the burden on you to prove Reeves wasn’t the man behind the idea. Why is that reasonable?
It isn’t. Not one scintilla of evidence that the creator had ever heard of Reeves, but an entirely logical explanation for the creator’s inspiration in the combination of the well-known story of Zorro, a masked crusader for justice, with that of the Texas Rangers, another legendary story known to all. A “burden” requiring one to prove a negative is one easily dismissed.
This pretty much sums it up.
“Although there is no concrete evidence that the real legend inspired the creation of one of fiction’s most well-known cowboys, “Bass Reeves is the closest real person to resemble the fictional Lone Ranger on the American western frontier of the nineteenth century,” Burton writes in Black Gun, Silver Star.
However, Bass accomplished things that dwarf the triumphs of his fictional counterpart, in his journey from slave to one of the staunchest defenders of the very government that had failed to protect his freedom in the first place. And while the truth about the Lone Ranger may remain a mystery, the story of Bass Reeves remains an inspiration for real-life heroes to this day.”
Thad Burton
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