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http://www.gunbroker.com/item/569763786
“The rear dovetail has been filled to match the contour of the octagon barrel”
Is this something Winchester would have done during an R&R? Letter states it was sent back 3 times.
Thanks,
Al
tionesta1 said
Interested in learning from the experts.http://www.gunbroker.com/item/569763786
“The rear dovetail has been filled to match the contour of the octagon barrel”
Is this something Winchester would have done during an R&R? Letter states it was sent back 3 times.
Thanks,
Al
How come there is no picture of the filled dovetail? Big Larry
Al,
Very unlikely. Additionally, the Lyman tang sight is approximately 30-years newer than the rifle.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Big Larry,
It is, picture 49, look close – nice job of it but the color match isn’t perfect.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Looks like someone did a good job at making a filler for the dovetail. Ive seen the same thing done to fill in the magazine retaining band with a blank on guns that had the magazine tubes shortened–Some were done surprisingly well.
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
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Hi,
This is a really nice 1894. The mystery on this 115 year old will probably never be solved. Why does someone have a dovetail part made instead of installing a factory blank? It was too new to be refinished unless damaged. The sights have been changed. Sometimes you can read “between the lines” on an R&R repair. What does the filled rear dovetail do to the value? Are we collectors to anal?
Walter
Walter,
I would assume the guy wanted a clean looking filler rather than the standard blank. A filled dovetail does not affect the value at all since you can knock it out at any time unless it was soldered in.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Walter,
Without knowing we can only speculate. It could be a simple repair to a change of configuration. I know that when you do have a R&R on a letter its open season on what the guns configuration can be. If I was buying a gun that had a R&R I would want the gun to be still in the original configuration.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
This rifle has deluxe wood and the tang is so stamped. Don’t they usually note that in a Cody letter? Eagle
Eagle said
This rifle has deluxe wood and the tang is so stamped. Don’t they usually note that in a Cody letter? Eagle
No, not usually. The standard ledger entry will stated “CSPG” (checkered stock pistol grip). Occasionally, it will state “Fancy” in the remarks column of the ledger.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Eagle,
If the gun has some special features it was somewhat standard practice to put a higher grade of wood on it and if something was standard it was not stated in the ledger.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
I have seen one example of where the forward magazine dovetail was filled in a like manner on a Whitney-Kennedy octagon barrel rifle in order to satisfy a special order for a half magazine.
James
August 11, 2015
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was it standard for the factory to put a blank in the barrel band dovetail on all half magazine rifles?
Also, it looks like the barrel has been reblued based on the look of the barrel address and the caliber designation.
Just some questions on my part.
Thx
Mark,
Winchester did not fill the forward mag tube cuts on 1/2 mag guns, they were never cut in the first place. If you see one filled it a sign of a after market modification. The blue and the stampings on the barrel looked original to me but on Guns International its hard to see detail since I think they or the software intentionally blur the pictures. On other gun sites you can see the guns crystal clear if the picture was taken good but GI they all are a bit fuzzy. When I’m interested in a gun on GI I have the seller send me pictures directly so I can tell what I’m buying.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
August 11, 2015
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I guess that was kind of my question about the barrel. I also would think that if the original gun had a half magazine there would be no to dovetail to fill in; that suggests to me it is not an original barrel. Just trying to get another validation point to help in an ongoing quest regarding originality.
Appreciate the tip on getting backup photos. Will take another look to see. You are probably right about the image quality and reinforces my trepidation about buying something without physically viewing. Still the barrel markings just don’t look right.
The collecting bug has interestingly morphed into a validation of quest; which it probably always has been.
Seems like history never gets old!
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