There’s a guy I know that just had his solid frame 1886 deluxe 45/70 lettered. He told me the letter states the gun was returned in 1905 for repair and to be fitted for a mahogany case.
I’ve asked him to send me a picture of the letter but he hasn’t gotten back to me yet.
Anyone here have or know anything about these factory mahogany cases?
Any info is appreciated. Thanks
In June 1991, I attended the saraha gun show in Vagas. The John R Woods collection was on display, by Butterfield Auctions.
I met a very nice guy named Jim Clippard (I think) from Virginia, who had a table full of beautiful winchesters for sale. He had and sold two cased 1886 winchesters,that lettered.
Well me personally I’ve seen some very few in person and know they did indeed exist and were made for practically every model since the 66 (and even before, there are cased Volcanics in Dr. Lewis’ book). But they are all exceedingly rare, and would imagine for a gun to letter with a case would also be even more so rare.
They were well made, keyed locked, usually fit the entire gun with extra room in the case. They usually have a place to hold roughly a box or two boxes worth of cartridges. The ones that I know for certain are genuine will also have a set of Reloading Tools in the case, and a cleaning rod or a way to clean the barrel. But not all of the ones I’ve seen have all these features. But then again not all the ones I’ve seen were real either.
Not all the presentation cases were made of mahogany, they did use other woods. They also made some out of leather, and I’m not referring to the leather carrying cases either. They actually made some of the presentation cases out of leather, I know this for a fact was done as early as the Model 1876, but I’m not certain for how long the practice was done for. I imagine you could have ordered the presentation case made out of whatever you wanted, and also whatever accoutrements you desired be put inside. Hell, they made forearm and buttstocks out of Elephant Ivory for presentation arms, the bleeding heart liberals would love that if it still went on today!
I hate to give out to much info on them, as I don’t want to see a bunch of “New Old Stock” cases showing up. I can tell you that “Dad’s Old Guns” are all fakes. Which i guess he’s going for more the “Shipping Crate” look, but all his stuff would make good firewood.
The genuine article should show its age, everything on it should be period. And if you know anything about wood, or know someone that does, get them to look the wood over, as it should be “Old Growth” wood. I don’t recall ever seeing any presentation cases for a Take-down gun, but would imagine they do exist. I believe I also recall seeing a two gun cased set of model 76s, but I could be dreaming sugar plum ferries on that one.
There is a cased model 92 with a nickel plated 1882 Reloading Tool in Wilson’s Book, I’d love to get my hands on, if only merely to look and touch it. As taking ownership of it would probably be to much to ask for.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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. I believe I also recall seeing a two gun cased set of model 76s, but I could be dreaming sugar plum ferries on that one.
from the John Woods collection. Cased 76, which sold if I recall for US $575000.John Battaglia organised and took the photo for the gun report mag.
Funny story though, while setting up for the photo, my stupid big mate on the left, bumped the lid the case tipped and gun nearly came out of the box.
The Butterfield minder’s had heart attack’s, the show directors went white, and big boofhead mate thought he lost his bank account. But everthing turned out good, photo was taken and did make the report the following year.
I wonder where that cased 76 is now.
Tony
Thanks to all who have responded thus far. I appreciate the insight and knowledge. I had assumed that the cases were so uncommon (and likely ordered to a specific request), that it would seem unlikely that the known examples would be identical.
Im still waiting on the picture of the letter from him.
When I have it I’ll post it here.
Thanks
Well whats the status update? Did he ever send you pictures?
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“Hell, they made forearm and buttstocks out of Elephant Ivory for presentation arms, the bleeding heart liberals would love that if it still went on today!”
I seriously doubt any bleeding heart liberals would “love” it and I would hope that even non bleeding heart conservatives would be opposed to using elephant ivory to make a gun stock!
Tony, you mention John Battaglia above, does anyone know if he is still around? Was curious, he took many of the photos at the San Antonio shows my dad promoted in the 70’s, a number show up in the old Gun Report magazines. Wonder if he kept an archive of the negatives or if they were tossed. Would like to know if they are still available or not.
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John, passed away about 4 or 5 years ago, not sure about the negitives.
Some where I have the letter he sent to me with the photo he took of us two at the vagas show. John looked after us at the show and organised with the directors for us to take pictures of tables.I believe back then photos inside the show was not allowed.
tony
Dave Kenney said
“Hell, they made forearm and buttstocks out of Elephant Ivory for presentation arms, the bleeding heart liberals would love that if it still went on today!”I seriously doubt any bleeding heart liberals would “love” it and I would hope that even non bleeding heart conservatives would be opposed to using elephant ivory to make a gun stock!
If you think I was being serious, I’m guessing sarcasm is not your forte.
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