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ENGRAVED MODEL 1892
May 17, 2021
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And while we are looking at straight grip stocked and engraved 1892’s here is another one.  This is SN 11038 and was sold out of Morphy’s in October of 2018 as Lot 369 for $60,000!!  It is a gorgeous rifle!!

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May 17, 2021
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twobit said
Here is my factory original; engraved 1892.  You can see how much more fine the engraving is compared to the original rifle in question.  

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Beautiful gun Michael,

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May 18, 2021
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twobit said

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Michael, do you know the whereabouts, of sn 10999, a factory engraved 92, 44wcf. it was found in australia, in 1986 and believed it went back to the states and sold by merz. I have the letter on it. apparently was an expo gun , it left and returned to the factory at least 2 dozen times.

tony  

Good morning Tony,

I have seen that rifle which was sold at Julia’s (Lot 1151) back in March of 2014 for $23,000.  Also a straight grip stock like mine.

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Wow, 23k it was purchased in sydney at a gun shop believe it or not for $350, it had the finger lever opened up like a big loop, as the owner had large hands. I still have that lever, i changed it out with a good origional one. also to note it had holes drilled on the L/H side of the receiver to take a lyman jack sight

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Tony. R said

Wow, 23k it was purchased in sydney at a gun shop believe it or not for $350, it had the finger lever opened up like a big loop, as the owner had large hands. I still have that lever, i changed it out with a good origional one. also to note it had holes drilled on the L/H side of the receiver to take a lyman jack sight  

Tony,

I see absolutely no evidence of any holes in the left side of the receiver.

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May 19, 2021
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twobit said

Tony,

I see absolutely no evidence of any holes in the left side of the receiver.

Michael  

I did a search and found the auction listing, leroy told me he had the hole tiged up. if you look carefully you can see a discolour of the metal (orange )inside the oval that surrounds the ram. it def had an extra hole. I had the gun

May 19, 2021
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Tony. R said

I did a search and found the auction listing, leroy told me he had the hole tiged up. if you look carefully you can see a discolour of the metal (orange )inside the oval that surrounds the ram. it def had an extra hole. I had the gun  

Good morning Tony,

Can you send me a link to the auction you are referring to?  And any chance that you have any images of when Leroy had the gun?  

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May 20, 2021
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twobit said

Good morning Tony,

Can you send me a link to the auction you are referring to?  And any chance that you have any images of when Leroy had the gun?  

Michael  

Morning Michael, hear is the link.

https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/1151-358/

Some where i have photos of it when it was found. it was 3 weeks before the winchester expo, in sydney july 86 George Madis was a guest. George identified it as origional. i sent for a letter which i still have somewhere, ill try and find it and post it hear. It sold at the expo. for $4000 and was delivered to Leroy few weeks later. I meet leroy at the Vagas show in 91 and discussed the 92 with him. I asked him what he did about the holes and told me they were tiged up.

Ill try and find the origional photo’s and letter.

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Tony. R said

I did a search and found the auction listing, leroy told me he had the hole tiged up. if you look carefully you can see a discolour of the metal (orange )inside the oval that surrounds the ram. it def had an extra hole. I had the gun  

Tony – I don’t doubt what you are saying but looking at the gun, it doesn’t add up for me.  I see the discoloration in the oval that you are referring to.  I can see where that could be where a TIG weld was performed.  However, that spot doesn’t match up at all where the rear screw for the Lyman No. 21 sight would be – it’s way too far forward.  Earlier, you mentioned, “holes.”  And of course, for the Lyman No. 21 there would be a forward hole as well.  I can’t see any evidence of a filled hole where that forward hole would be.  Do you recall two holes?  I just can’t see how that sight could have been put on there without two holes.

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Tony – I don’t doubt what you are saying but looking at the gun, it doesn’t add up for me.  I see the discoloration in the oval that you are referring to.  I can see where that could be where a TIG weld was performed.  However, that spot doesn’t match up at all where the rear screw for the Lyman No. 21 sight would be – it’s way too far forward.  Earlier, you mentioned, “holes.”  And of course, for the Lyman No. 21 there would be a forward hole as well.  I can’t see any evidence of a filled hole where that forward hole would be.  Do you recall two holes?  I just can’t see how that sight could have been put on there without two holes.  

Steve, i spoke to my friend who was with me at the time, and he said the holes did not match up for a jack site, some other weird side mount  he said .i was only new in to collecting back then. he said the other hole was drilled in through the engraved border, anyway he said there was deff 2 extra holes. mertz must have done a great job concealing it.

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 I ended up buying this 92′ anyway. Here are a few more pictures.

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Tony. R said

Steve, i spoke to my friend who was with me at the time, and he said the holes did not match up for a jack site, some other weird side mount  he said .i was only new in to collecting back then. he said the other hole was drilled in through the engraved border, anyway he said there was deff 2 extra holes. mertz must have done a great job concealing it.

still looking for the photo’s but i found the origional letter that may be of interest.92.1.jpgImage Enlarger92.2.jpgImage Enlarger92.3.jpgImage Enlarger  

Tony – thank you for posting the letter.  It certainly was of interest.  It’s one of the longer letters I’ve seen.  All that information must have taken up a lot of room in the ledger!

Your explanation on the receiver sight holes makes sense.  When I was studying the photo of the left side of the receiver, I wondered about a hole in the circle border – the circle that surrounds the ram.  About at the 1:00 or 1:30 position I can see what looks like a partial outline of a circle.  That section of the border (that would be inside the circle) looks a bit darker than the rest of the border.

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I like your 92, Robert. Thanks for posting the additional pics. 

 

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I like your 92, Robert. Thanks for posting the additional pics. 

 

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Thanks Mike. 

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Here is my factory original; engraved 1892.  You can see how much more fine the engraving is compared to the original rifle in question.  

Michael  

Michael,

Shoot that pic of the overall rifle.  Nice one for sure. 

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Michael,

Shoot that pic of the overall rifle.  Nice one for sure. 

Chris  

Hello Chris,

Let me see what I can do.  I left Houston at 3 am yesterday with my truck filled and the boat hitched behind.  19 hours later I pulled into the driveway of our cottage on the shore of Lake Michigan just a bit north of Traverse City, Michigan.  I will be here all summer staying away from that “gorgeous” Houston weather and fly fishing.  My wife is still home for another ten days since she broke her foot a few weeks ago and has a Dr. appointment that she needed to attend.  I will ask her to get the rifle out and snap a couple pics for me.

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Enjoy your summer! I’ve hunted in Grayling, and always wanted to fly fish the Au Sable. Maybe someday.

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Enjoy your summer! I’ve hunted in Grayling, and always wanted to fly fish the Au Sable. Maybe someday.  

FF,

I grew up just a bit north of Detroit and my father was the Chief of Staff for the Michigan National Guard.  We spent 2 weeks every summer for 25 years on the military base at Lake Margrethe just outside of Grayling.  I have been on the Au Sable and Manistee Rivers and some others many times and will be there some more this summer.  It is some nice country to be in.  

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