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Have a 94 OBCB good bore, Made 1911 does not letter. What is the value of the DST, or how much does it increase the value-Thanks Bill

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Have a 94 OBCB good bore, Made 1911 does not letter. What is the value of the DST, or how much does it increase the value-Thanks Bill 

A DST on a SS would be a valuable asset no matter how it got there, but on a ’94 I put it in the category of an inexperienced shooter’s impractical choice adding little to value; had it been ordered from the factory, it would still be impractical for the kind of shooting usually done with ’94s, but a more valuable one.

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Have a 94 OBCB good bore, Made 1911 does not letter. What is the value of the DST, or how much does it increase the value-Thanks Bill

  

Bill,

Set trigger Model 1894s do have a premium value, but it is not a set number.  The rest of the rifle’s details must also be evaluated.  Tell us more about it, or better yet, post pictures.

As a point of interest, set trigger Model 1894s are not nearly as rare as some people might believe.  Per the ARMAX document, there were (5,158) of them manufactured through serial number 353999.  In my research survey covering serial numbers 354000 – 1079689 (the end of the year 1931), I have documented (71) more of them in the (9,943) guns currently in the survey.  If the observed ratio is extrapolated forward, it indicates that approximately another (5,080) were manufactured outside of the letterable serial number range, and it would bring the total to approximately (10,200) set trigger Model 1894s. 

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Have a 94 OBCB good bore, …..What is the value of the DST, …..

  

OK y’all pop quiz for me…..I got Octagon Barrel _____ _______, and Dual Set Trigger ….help me with the rest of the first part. Laugh

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Cb- crescent butt 

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Jeremy P said

OK y’all pop quiz for me…..I got Octagon Barrel _____ _______, and Dual Set Trigger

DOUBLE set.

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My issue with DST’s is mostly my own ignorance. I’d worry about it working correctly or failing in addition to being incorrectly adjusted. I don’t know how to check or adjust it and if it needed repair I’d probably pass. I’d welcome one on a Single Shot but mine all have good triggers, including one the factory ledger describes as “light”. The factory SS trigger can be made as light as I am comfortable with. I think a DST on a 94 would be cool to play with and might even make good eye candy on a show table but mainly because they are generally on special rifles.

 

 

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My issue with DST’s is mostly my own ignorance. I’d worry about it working correctly or failing in addition to being incorrectly adjusted. I don’t know how to check or adjust it and if it needed repair I’d probably pass.TXGunNut said

In other words, K.I.S.S., words of wisdom usually more honored in the the breach than the observance.   But you’re talking about a collector’s item that you might plink with a bit at the range, & nothing lost if the trigger misbehaves, not a gun bought new for hunting, & maybe your only one.  Bert’s figures on the number of ’94s ordered with DSTs proves that neophytes weren’t discriminated against when ordering new Winchesters. 

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426crown said

Have a 94 OBCB good bore, Made 1911 does not letter. What is the value of the DST, or how much does it increase the value-Thanks Bill 

A DST on a SS would be a valuable asset no matter how it got there, but on a ’94 I put it in the category of an inexperienced shooter’s impractical choice adding little to value; had it been ordered from the factory, it would still be impractical for the kind of shooting usually done with ’94s, but a more valuable one.

  

Talking about impractical, this one definitely foots the bill!  But from a collector standpoint, I love it but I like the unusual.

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Im not sure why a set trigger on a carbine or rifle, irrespective of lever-action model, would be thought to be impracticable.  If youve ever used them, whether to shoot targets or game, they give you an edge.  Not to mention you have the option of using the set trigger function, or not, depending on your shooting or hunting conditions.  To deem them impractical would be like saying the 7 lbs trigger in my scoped bolt-action deer rifle is better suited for shooting accuracy than one adjusted to 3 lbs of pull.   I place more value on the thought that went into ordering a standard carbine or rifle with the added set trigger and sling eyes than one with all the embellishments that was more for show than for practical use.   

Set triggers (lower tang and set trigger assembly) and accompanying hammer used to sell for $500 or so years ago, Im sure they are like hens teeth to find now days and cost a bit more, havent kept up with their current cost as parts.  As far as value added, it may add $500-750 in value to the right buyer, maybe more, or less depending on condition, other features, or lack thereof. 

From a collecting standpoint, Id be willing to bet DST on 1894 or 1892 carbines are exceedingly less common than on rifles, especially in the later years of production, making them an attention getter, at least for me. 

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Talking about impractical, this one definitely foots the bill!  But from a collector standpoint, I love it but I like the unusual.

I like it too for the same reason, esp the wrapping on the sling ring.  I’d like it even more if it had a factory long range tang sight, & wouldn’t be surprised if Bert has recorded a ’94 ordered with one of them by some armchair Buffalo Bill. 

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Thanks, I think I knew that and forgot!

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OK y’all pop quiz for me…..I got Octagon Barrel _____ _______, and Dual Set Trigger

DOUBLE set.

  

Thanks!!!

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Talking about impractical, this one definitely foots the bill!  But from a collector standpoint, I love it but I like the unusual.

 

Don

 

It may be (debatably) impractical, but it sure is cool, I have to agree!

  

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Ya’ Don: here’s another one of those “impractical”, carbines. I like ’em to.20240109_093757.jpgImage Enlarger20240109_093815.jpgImage Enlarger

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Im not sure why a set trigger on a carbine or rifle, irrespective of lever-action model, would be thought to be impracticable.  If youve ever used them, whether to shoot targets or game, they give you an edge.  Not to mention you have the option of using the set trigger function, or not, depending on your shooting or hunting conditions.  To deem them impractical would be like saying the 7 lbs trigger in my scoped bolt-action deer rifle is better suited for shooting accuracy than one adjusted to 3 lbs of pull.   I place more value on the thought that went into ordering a standard carbine or rifle with the added set trigger and sling eyes than one with all the embellishments that was more for show than for practical use.   

Set triggers (lower tang and set trigger assembly) and accompanying hammer used to sell for $500 or so years ago, Im sure they are like hens teeth to find now days and cost a bit more, havent kept up with their current cost as parts.  As far as value added, it may add $500-750 in value to the right buyer, maybe more, or less depending on condition, other features, or lack thereof. 

From a collecting standpoint, Id be willing to bet DST on 1894 or 1892 carbines are exceedingly less common than on rifles, especially in the later years of production, making them an attention getter, at least for me. 

  

Spot on, Chris!  Having the option to set a lighter trigger pull on a first, well-aimed shot and then being able to use the trigger with a normal pull weight on follow-up shots is quite practical, even in our beloved Winchester lever guns that may not be capable of the most extreme accuracy.  I certainly like having the option to set the trigger on these old girls, especially when hunting.  I only wish Winchester had been able to fit 1895’s with set triggers, because I prefer the caliber selection they offer for deer-sized game.

Complete set trigger assemblies have become very expensive, as have the individual parts.  An 1873 single set trigger assembly recently sold on EBAY for $1,000.  It actually made it’s way into my shop where a customer asked me to break it down for parts to get his set trigger working.  Thankfully, Sam Simmons, a gunsmith in Arkansas has started reproducing single set trigger parts using parts I supplied as templates.  He sells them on EBAY and GunBroker.  Bob Knapp makes the parts, but won’t sell them, only use them to repair complete set trigger assemblies sent to him.  Unfortunately, I don’t know of a source for close coupled set trigger parts at this time.

I do quite a lot of set trigger work in my shop.  In fact, I built a fly and catch hook for an early 2nd model 1873 and got it working yesterday.  Winchesters with working set triggers bring a modest premium, while a Winchester with a set trigger that’s not working will have a detrimental impact on value because they’re difficult to have repaired.   I keep an eye out for those for sale with set triggers that don’t function properly.  There’s often an opportunity for me to repair them and make a few dollars towards my next purchase. Smile Mark

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Ya’ Don: here’s another one of those “impractical”, carbines. I like ’em to.20240109_093757.jpgImage Enlarger20240109_093815.jpgImage Enlarger

  

Henry,

You have been holding out on me… I did not have this SRC listed in my research survey!

The correct date of manufacture for it is June 1911.

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Mark Douglas said

Spot on, Chris!  Having the option to set a lighter trigger pull on a first, well-aimed shot and then being able to use the trigger with a normal pull weight on follow-up shots is quite practical, even in our beloved Winchester lever guns that may not be capable of the most extreme accuracy.

Set triggers are great when they work “as advertised,” or if they don’t, you can fix them yourself.  But Mark, let’s say you’re a fellow living in some part of the country before WWI where the nearest gunsmith is a day’s distance away by buggy or Model T, & instead of owning 100+ guns like most WACA members, you can afford to own a shotgun, maybe a .22 or handgun, & one “deer rifle.”  Let’s also assume you’re an “average hunter” who isn’t in a position to be shooting often, like hunters I know who can get through several hunting seasons on a single box of ammo; around 2/3rds of the members of my fish & game club visit our range ONE time a yr just before the season opens to check their scope zeros.  What’s the wisest choice, in your opinion, for such a poor soul, DST or plain?

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Clarence.  A good point about the past, but my comments were directed at today’s collector and hunter. 

Of course, when a set trigger isn’t working properly, every one I’ve dealt with still worked as a standard trigger, so it isn’t as though a malfunctioning set trigger puts the gun out of commission, they simply work as any would with a standard trigger.  Mark

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Mark Douglas said
 

Of course, when a set trigger isn’t working properly, every one I’ve dealt with still worked as a standard trigger, so it isn’t as though a malfunctioning set trigger puts the gun out of commission, they simply work as any would with a standard trigger.  Mark

My experience as well. A set trigger on any Winchester rifle is a desirable plus… whether it was 130-years ago, or today. 

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