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CRF Model 70 Rifles in mid 80’s?
September 16, 2020
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I’ve recently seen a couple of Guns for sale that are listed as manufactured during the mid 80’s, but are clearly CRF actions.  It was my understanding after 1964 CRF guns didn’t reappear until 1992 or 1994 as the “Classic” series was introduced.  Any speculation or clarifications?

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September 16, 2020
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Hi "B"! I'm with you! My quite clear understanding as yours, that Winchester CRF "production" ended in '63 and didn't resume until 1992. (An aforementioned 1991 edition discussed in recent Thread was a so-called Winchester "Custom Shop" limited edition.) That said, perhaps possible such Custom Shop renderings from available parts/components. I've not heard of such but not to foreclose the possibility!
I believe quite possibly the answer in the term "production" and whether it could apply to what you or I might term "custom" based on 'not Winchester factory'.

I'd like to learn more of such claims, but in the category of 'never say never'!
Best & Stay Safe!
John

September 17, 2020
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Here’s an example...

From Guns International:  (I can’t post the direct link)

6990 Winchester model 70 SUPERGRADE 338winmag,26 inch barrel, 1984 Mfg,CLAW EXTRACTOR,AA+Fancy figured walnut. Winchester pad, all original 99% condit

 

And another

 GunBroker.com Item 877974772

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September 17, 2020
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Hi Begger-

The photos are poor, but the Gunbroker gun appears to me to be a non-factory rebarreled, reblued, and restocked pre-64 M70:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/877974772

I think the serial number is something like 182XXX (1951) and is a typical type III-2 action.  The barrel is a factory 375 H&H magnum barrel, but the front ramp appears to be of the brazed on type (1952 or later) so is not likely original to that gun.  You also note that a "new" rear sight base has been added (and a third hole drilled).  Certainly not factory work.  The stock is a pre-64 Monte Carlo stock with the factory red recoil pad (MC should be 1952 or later).  I wouldn't have expected to find a S/N below about 220000 on a pre-64 375 MAGNUM with those features.  Of course maybe I just am not making the S/N out correctly...  In any event, my gut reaction is that it's a pre-64 parts gun and the seller is either mistaken as to DOM or referring to when it was modified to its current configuration.

OTOH... The GI offering is a post-63 rifle:

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles---model-70-post-64/6990-winchester-model-70-supergrade-338winmag-26-inch-barrel--1984-mfg-claw-extractor-aa-fancy-figured-walnut--winchester-pad--all-original-99--condit.cfm?gun_id=101508814

I know nothing about post-63 production.  Maybe the seller is, again, confused as to DOM?

Not much help, I'm afraid  Cry

Lou

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September 17, 2020
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Thanks for your input.  It is always appreciated!

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September 17, 2020
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OK Gents! Found the listing. As noted, referencing "1984". Reviewed a series of good pix privided. My absolute belief this is a post '91 rifle. Compared it with my '93 Classic Super Grade in same .338 chambering and everything looks about the same particularly including exact nomenclature.
"Occam's Razor": most likely a typo "84" - intended as "94". Such or the seller simply misinformed.

That said, he's a dealer and apparently with other listings which I didn't explore. Particularly in "dealer" context, that's (ostensibly) the kind of error to come back & bite you, providing purchaser claim of "detrimental reliance upon a material representation". His phone is there, so if sufficiently motivated (I'm not), ring him up and inquire!
For me, "case closed." But fun momentary pursuit... Especially when researching "never say never" context! 🙂

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John

September 18, 2020
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How about this one?

SUPER GRADE - WINCHESTER MODEL 70 .338 WIN MAG BOLT ACTION RIFLE - Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com : 878458449

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September 19, 2020
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First the disclaimer that due to my super-duper anti-malware program, without jumping hoops; unable to move past the first "usual suspect" photo... Myself too lazy as well! That said, from what I saw in the single pix; believe adequate for the 'opine' provided here.
'If' we're viewing the same rifle, SN G19076, in 338 Win Mag, that would appear one of the homeliest alleged Super Grade rifle stocks I've seen! According to my 'Winchester nineties era CRF Model 70' serial number listing... That SN would place squarely in 1992 production. 'IF' that rifle started life as a Super Grade 'with that stock', its utilitarian, unadorned motif a poor match. To me urging 'non-original'. "Super Grade is very much about superior, artistic-functional aesthetics. Whatever that rifle is, it doesn't make the bar for any 'SG' I'd expect.
Just my take!
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John

September 21, 2020
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What does CRF stand for?

September 21, 2020
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controlled round feeding.Wink

September 21, 2020
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Hi Chuck! "CRF" is "Controlled Round Feed". The mechanism in bolt action rifles, by which rounds stowed in the magazine are introduced into the chamber for firing in a "controlled fashion". The now modern and widely accepted alternative system termed "Push Feed". The difference, in the early Twentieth Century concept , CRF allegedly assuring considerably better cartridge management in getting rounds chambered without incident as well as more foolproof extraction of testy too often 'variable quality ammo. Warfare apparently confirming the CRF virtue as such central to heralded "Mauser system" rifles and many sporting bolt rifles heir! Push feed and it's own variants nowadays including "controlled round push feed", have developed conjunctive with superior engineering, materials and production methods. Objectively, as viable bolt rifle functional alternative.

Yet the 'residual'. From an era where CRF ruled military and sporting bolt rifle markets, such relics as myself also occurring! Growing up with "real steel & wood, ruggedness, classic 'bulletproof' design, contemporary quality of construction! Nowadays, CNC precision machinery, designs unavailable to earlier era engineering/fabrication. Composites of carbon fiber, etc... All such not equaling for me, the combo of stars coming together in the 1936-63 era Model 70 and only 'bit compromised '91+ Win 70 edition as strong 'also ran' objects of desire! 🙂 🙂 🙂

Hopefully answering your question in true 'politician' fashion, turning a simple reply into as 'statement'!
Best & Stay Safe!

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