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Hello all,
A guy I know has three sets of Winchester 1873 cleaning rods. Two sets are four sections, and the other set has three sections. Judging from these pictures, are they original? If so, how much should I offer?
Thanks,
Al
Al,
You have to measure the diameter of the rods and their length. The only set I can say anything about is the three rod set is not a complete set. It looks to be two sections of a carbine set and one rifle rod. Is the slots milled or stamped? There was a guy making perfect repos so its not going to be possible to tell if its one of those sets except they were sold in the white. Anyone can age them to look old.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
I agree with Bob. In the early days repos were easy to spot. Nowadays I wouldn’t pay a lot of money for a set. The repos can be perfect. Try each piece and see if they will all screw together. If not some are fakes. But which ones?
1873man said
Al,You have to measure the diameter of the rods and their length. The only set I can say anything about is the three rod set is not a complete set. It looks to be two sections of a carbine set and one rifle rod. Is the slots milled or stamped? There was a guy making perfect repos so its not going to be possible to tell if its one of those sets except they were sold in the white. Anyone can age them to look old.
Bob
Bob,
How can you tell the three rod set is made up of two carbine sections and one rifle? What should each length measure? Just trying to learn.
Thanks
Al
Buffalo Arms has repo four and five section rods in stock. I think for about $45-55. Just age them so they look old. No listing for the longer carbine rods T/R
Ted,
Thanks for taking the time to paste the previous posts as well as the picture.
Al
AL,
I got the two reversed but the they don’t go together. Carbine sets has a 8″ handle end (the one with the large diameter end), 7.5″ middle and tip. 23″ when assembled. The rifle has a 7.25″ handle, center sections and tip are 7″. The rods are .234″ in diameter.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
AL,I got the two reversed but the they don’t go together. Carbine sets has a 8″ handle end (the one with the large diameter end), 7.5″ middle and tip. 23″ when assembled. The rifle has a 7.25″ handle, center sections and tip are 7″. The rods are .234″ in diameter.
Bob
thanks
The rod diameter is the only dimension that important and that the slot is punched not milled. They look real but $100 is all I would consider for rods anymore because of the repos.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Full nickle guns had full nickle rods. Some rods had a brass knob and some steel. It has been said that Winchester out sourced the production which might account for some differences, but length and diameter were always the same. So if the length, diameter, and style are original the only difference between original and repro is the aging.
Rods should match the condition of the gun, showing age and wear. T/R
I have been told that the threaded part had a “shoulder” at the base. The threads didn’t go all the way down to the rod. The female threaded end had a matching shoulder and this strengthened the rods when screwed together. Anyone know if this is correct? RDB
Yes, That is correct. The female thread had more of a unthreaded area that the male thread and they did vary. The good repos had that feature as well.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
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