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“Eastern carbine” now that started off as a sporting rifle.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
January 26, 2011
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Looks like a Frankenchester. The question is how many guns did it take to make it?
~Gary~
It goes way beyond just being a “Frankenchester”. There are numerous and obvious indicators that it was intentionally faked. Bob and I both know what they are, lets see how many you other fellows can identify what is wrong.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Wasn’t the “Eastern Carbine ” normally produced with shotgun-style butt plate and half or three quarter-length magazine tube?
The front barrel band has been moved and the rear sight is wrong.
Vince
Southern Oregon
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Fraternal Order of Eagles
“There is but one answer to be made to the dynamite bomb and that can best be made by the Winchester rifle.”
Teddy Roosevelt
Hi,
Well, I will step into this. I do not see how anyone can put this together and make a decent profit. Mike Hunter could answer this. Besides the buttstock, the lower tang has been replaced ( look at the finish). I think the barrel is a reject repo. The front sight, proof mark and the caliber markings look odd. I did not look at the barrel markings hard. Just my 2 cents.
Walter
January 26, 2011
Online
The receiver is from 1940, but the barrel date is showing 46. The 32-40 caliber was long gone using either of these dates. There is still a “WCF” showing under the barrel that was likely “30 WCF” before someone re-chambered it and stamped it 32-40 on the top and bottom. the “94” is missing after “Model”…..not sure why that is but possibly got removed when they took off the 30 cal marking. Front sight and barrel band position are wrong. I’m sure there’s more, but at this point, I’m with Mike……parts is parts.
~Gary~
The mag tube is from a rifle or something that had a mag tube ring.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Gary,
Your sharp eye found many of the clues. You missed the barrel band screw groove in the mag tube behind the front sight.
The correct barrel for the serial number would have a ramp front sight versus the old style post. The ramp style front sight was introduced coincident with Proof Steel barrels in the year 1932. A “46” marked barrel would definitely have a ramp front sight. The 32-40 cartridge was dropped from production at the end of the year 1937.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
wallyb said
Hi,
Is this not a repo barrel?
Walter
No, it is not. The “46” date stamp on the bottom is real.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
January 26, 2011
Online
At least its priced in the parts gun range…….not saying I would have any interest in it, but someone might.
~Gary~
Bert,
The faker can still stamp marks on the back of the barrel. What does this this barrel does look like to you?
Walter
I like early guns. This is interesting on newer Winchesters
wallyb said
Bert,
The faker can still stamp marks on the back of the barrel. What does this this barrel does look like to you?
Walter
I like early guns. This is interesting on newer Winchesters
Walter,
Please clarify your question… it does not make any sense to me.
Yes, faked markings could be stamped anywhere on the barrel. That stated, I am 99% sure that the “46” year stamp is original Winchester work.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Good Morning from the Twilight Zone. I forgot what time it was when I started this reply, but it was still dark out in the AM and now it is 7:25am and the sun has been up for a while now.
Well lets see what we got here,
# 1- Underside barrel markings.
A – There are no inspectors marks (triangle with dot).
B – There is No view proof marks (oval with VP).
C – The 2 in 32-40 is the wrong font, (look at the #2, font on the receiver serial number) also the 4 in 32-40 is the wrong font. (Look at the #4, font of the barrel date 46).
#2 – Topside barrel markings.
A – The barrel markings are of the Type 8, which would be correct for a 46 barrel.
B – The omission of 94 after Model.
C – The Proof Mark on the barrel has either been poorly reproduced, or partially erased.
#3 – Front Sight.
A – It appears that the sight block was machined out of the proper Ramped Front Sight for a 46 barrel (look at it you can see the groove for the front sight cover).
B – or the Ramp Sight was eliminated totally and the new sight block was poorly silver soldered on.
#4 – Front Barrel Band.
A – Placed to be thought of as original.
B – Evidence that barrel was originally a Ramped Front Sight Barrel, (both the barrel and Magazine tube have the notch for the barrel band screw).
C – Evidence that the Barrel Band was in place behind a Ramp Sight, (you can tell because they both have wear marks where it use to be).
#5 – Appears that there is evidence that the barrel was chucked in a Lathe, (look at the slight groove by the receiver).
#6 – The receiver looks original to me, the wood to metal fit looks good, the lower tang looks original as it won’t get that much wear because the lever covers it.
#7 – The Forend Wood appears to be a good fit at the receiver, don’t know why or what for the forend wood has that oval filler in it.
#8 – Contour of the Barrel at the receiver seems to be, not correct. (like it was turned on a lathe to eliminate the 94 and original caliber markings) This might explain the barrel proof mark, as not looking correct.
#9 – I wish there was a good picture of the muzzle, but it appears there is no crown.
Well, there ya go. Just my thoughts and what I see with the pictures provided.
From The Twilight Zone,
Mark
"I Would Have Rather Lived Through The Industrial Revaluation"
"Instead of The Space Age"
From
The Twilight Zone
Mark,
Very keen eyes you have this morning… the coffees and smokes must have helped!
I must comment that your typing skills are still in need of improvement… you started your post in the dark, and finished it several hours after sunrise!! Most of us use more than one finger when we type… maybe if you put the smokes and coffee down once in awhile, you could use more than one hand to type??
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Youse guys are getting pretty good. Kudos.
The lower tang is OK – note the fitting contours to the receiver behind the trigger – pretty exact.
Has the “W” marking – matching the serial range but not the barrel.
Caliber font was a good call – I didn’t think that would get picked up.
WCF – good call as well but the entire bottom has been altered with the exception of the date stamp, however, since it was more than likely a 25-35 WCF or a 30WCF it would also have to be bored out or relined to be 32-40. A 32 W.S. barrel would have been a far better choice.
Front sight and band appear to be a little farther back than normal (?)
Early hammer – may be correct – probably is. Hammer screw appears to be a replacement though.
Nice rifle buttstock – could go either way.
Fun stuff – thanks for playing. Maybe I’ll do more of this and raise the difficulty level.
As Mike said – parts gun.
B
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