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February 13, 2012
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Hi all,
Has a survey ever been done on the 157 casehardened 1894s to determine factors such as number of deluxe rifles, standard sporting, short rifles, other barrel lengths or engraving etc?
I know about the two carbines, but just wondering if a more in depth survey has been done.
Thanks!
-Chris
April 15, 2005
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No, at least not that I am aware of. That stated, it is possible that the CFM records office (Jesi) may have undertaken such a survey.
Now, and from nothing more than just my own personal observations, most of the case color finished Model 1894s I have seen (including you father’s very fine rifle) have been Fancy Sporting Rifles. It would not surprise me if the overwhelming majority of the (157) total were the same.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
February 13, 2012
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Thanks Bert!
True, out of the 9 or so that I’ve seen, including Rob K’s beautiful matted deluxe, the only standard variation I’ve seen is S/N 4802. Ironically, it sold at Julia’s recently as the “finest extant”. Go figure, LOL.
January 7, 2017
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My apologies for resurrecting a dormant topic…. but I was searching for “case hardened 94”.
Yesterday, I met a fella who stated he had a 1920(ish) SRC that had a case hardened frame. I suspect he has a silvered/ greyed out blued receiver but didn’t argue. I haven’t seen it (yet) but is there a good way to determine between a silvered receiver and a faded out case hardened frame? Are there any known 94’s around 1920 that were case hardened?
Regards, Ron
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WACA #10293
February 13, 2012
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Ron
to the best of my knowledge Winchester discontinued casehardening for all models in 1901. Therefore a 1920 receiver would not have been casehardened.
-Chris
May 2, 2009
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Ron,
Look at the gun overall, if it has some nice blue left on the barrel and tube you should see some case in protected areas on the bottom of the receiver at a minimum. If the gun does not have any finish left then you would have to pull the stock and look at the inside of the frame. I would put my money on a silver out blued frame.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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December 21, 2006
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I have Mod. 1894 ser# 15333. The gun letters as follows; rifle, 32-40, 28″ oct. bbl., plain trig. checkered stock, plain pistol grip, casehardened, rec’vd July 1 1887, shipped July2 1887. A couple of years ago at the Las Vegas show, Jessi (very graciously) and I spent a couple hours going through the records of the 157 lettered casehardened ’94,s. Interestingly, this was the only one We could find in this configuration. If Jessi doesn’t have a completed survey of these guns, it would surprise Me. Harry
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
May 2, 2009
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Harry,
The records for the 94’s are not complete by any means, they only go up to 354,000 or 1907 so there is no records for a 1920’s gun.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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January 7, 2017
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Well, if nothing else- I guess I’ll ask him if I can take a look at it. If for no other reason- to just kill the cat.
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WACA #10293
February 13, 2012
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Ron,
A 1920 model 1894 will not have been casehardened by Winchester for the reason I mentioned above. If it is casehardened or case colored, it was done elsewhere at another time in its life.
-Chris
January 7, 2017
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Thanks Chris, understood.
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WACA #10293
April 15, 2005
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As Chris mentioned, Winchester ceased case color hardening receiver frames (for all model) in 1901 (August). The original Winchester records for the Model 1894 end in May of 1907. Therefore, the records list all (155) color case finished Rifles, and the (2) case color finished Carbines that were manufactured. Per the ARMAX survey, the final two Model 1894 rifles that were case color finished were serialized in October of 1900 (97991 & 97992).
A 1920s vintage Model 94 was originally blued.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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