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Jeremy P said
Tedk said
Always had a thing for NIB guns, mine remain in the box…..I wipe them down, put them in a quality gun sock and store them horizontally. I do occasionally inspect them. Been doing this for decades without any issues.
A couple NIB Sako’s I owned remained in the box in the plastic sleeves they left the factory in for over 40 years with no problems. I did inspect and wipe them down occasionally.
I hear you, I like those NIB specimens too and they’ll remain unfired in my hands and others that already have the seal broken, they get shot every chance I get. The new ones are like art to me. The old ones? Preservations and enjoyment.
Never been one for the gun socks though, I hear others tell horror stories about them although I imagine it’s user error. I take all mine out of the box for the safe and then store the boxes in the closet.
Jeremy,
Curious as to the horror stories you’ve heard about the gun socks?
Sack Ups and Bore-Stores here for many years and nary an issue, wouldn’t be without them
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
Some socks are coated and won’t let moisture out. I prefer socks that can breathe.
Chuck said
Some socks are coated and won’t let moisture out. I prefer socks that can breathe.
Hi Chuck. I didn’t know that. Which brands can’t breathe?
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Zebulon said
Chuck said
Some socks are coated and won’t let moisture out. I prefer socks that can breathe.
Hi Chuck. I didn’t know that. Which brands can’t breathe?
I don’t know off hand but if it is designed to keep moisture out it won’t let it out either. If it is humid when you put the guns in a sock you don’t want it to stay that way.
Concur. I hadn’t really thought about it until you brought it up but, growing up in those parts of Texas that often feature relative humidity higher than 50%, I’ve always been cautious about putting guns back in the safe after they’ve been used, until they’ve been wiped down and bores swabbed, then allowed to return to our HVAC room temp and humidity, with breeches open. For the most part I use BoreStore cases inside the safe with GoldenRod running. I guess I’d always assumed the cases would restrict airflow but not be airtight because the Velcro flaps make an imperfect seal.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Zebulon said
For the most part I use BoreStore cases inside the safe with GoldenRod running. I guess I’d always assumed the cases would restrict airflow but not be airtight because the Velcro flaps make an imperfect seal.
Heating the trapped air is the most effective way to lower humidity, though if the safe is air-tight, I wonder how the moisture can escape. I have Golden Rods that can’t be under 40 yrs old; do they ever burn out?
“Only” 50% humidity, you say? Around here in the summer it’s often 60% or higher!
Chuck said
Some socks are coated and won’t let moisture out. I prefer socks that can breathe.
Interesting, if you’re able to find out the manufacturer would love to know who it is. Assumed that all silicone treated socks are able to breathe.
I do my homework and am perfectly comfortable using SackUps and Bore-Stores for long term storage. I have a number of guns in the aforementioned socks stored inside both aluminum and hard plastic cases with the egg crate foam for many years, never had an issue.
I did mention that I had two nib Sako Finnwolfs that were in Sako branded factory plastic sleeves. Initially I had some doubts, but I left both guns in those factory plastic sleeves for 40+ years and they remained as nice as the day they left the factory. Looked like regular plastic to me, but they had to have been treated with something.
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
Tedk said
Jeremy P said
Tedk said
Always had a thing for NIB guns, mine remain in the box…..I wipe them down, put them in a quality gun sock and store them horizontally. I do occasionally inspect them. Been doing this for decades without any issues.
A couple NIB Sako’s I owned remained in the box in the plastic sleeves they left the factory in for over 40 years with no problems. I did inspect and wipe them down occasionally.
I hear you, I like those NIB specimens too and they’ll remain unfired in my hands and others that already have the seal broken, they get shot every chance I get. The new ones are like art to me. The old ones? Preservations and enjoyment.
Never been one for the gun socks though, I hear others tell horror stories about them although I imagine it’s user error. I take all mine out of the box for the safe and then store the boxes in the closet.
Jeremy,
Curious as to the horror stories you’ve heard about the gun socks?
Sack Ups and Bore-Stores here for many years and nary an issue, wouldn’t be without them
Ted, the others beat me to it, but I’ve heard of people putting their guns in there only to pull them out months/years later and finding a disaster of rust damage. Now admittedly, it was probably user error…people seem to have really good luck with silicone impregnated ones, but I bet people who just used homemade or worn out ones that trapped moisture rather than preventing it had these issues. I’d only use them shorter term or for transport, but given the right product and conditions, you’d probably be fine.
clarence said
Zebulon said
For the most part I use BoreStore cases inside the safe with GoldenRod running. I guess I’d always assumed the cases would restrict airflow but not be airtight because the Velcro flaps make an imperfect seal.
Heating the trapped air is the most effective way to lower humidity, though if the safe is air-tight, I wonder how the moisture can escape. I have Golden Rods that can’t be under 40 yrs old; do they ever burn out?
“Only” 50% humidity, you say? Around here in the summer it’s often 60% or higher!
Perhaps I should have said, “materially and substantially exceeds 50%.” It is now 7pm Central time, OAT 100F, RH 34%; but when we get a Summertime front from the northwest, the pre-frontal temperature drops very little and the relative humidity soars to 70% or more, occasionally as high as 90%. In that last case, the temp necessarily falls but only to the low to mid nineties. Then it resembles the Gulf coast but without the Sulphur dioxide. The worst threat to bare steel comes from wet Winters when we have them. Bringing a cold gun inside will make them condense atmospheric water like a glass of iced tea. I wipe it down and swab the bore, then leave it out of the safe with actions open under a ceiling fan for several hours before wiping again with a Ballistol moistened cloth before re-socking and storing.
I don’t think a GoldenRod generates enough heat to burn out the coil of resistance wire. I don’t know metallurgy so I don’t know how the actual process of heating poorly conductive steel wire degrades it until it oxidizes or consumes itself. I would guess that at the temperature the GoldenRod operates, there’s little reason for it to fail. I bought one in the Eighties that’s still on duty. Many old analog devices — the 1/2 hp motor on my 1986 Delta bandsaw, for example — still runs just fine. It’s not running constantly but is asked to do a lot when it does.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
First off I could never understand the concept of owning some beautiful antique firearms then salting them away in a safe never to be seen or enjoyed, it’s kinda like having a beautiful wife and never taking her out of the house 
. My guns are displayed in My home, in My “gun room”, where I spend a lot of My time. With the home security options available these days home invasion and theft is nearly an automatic conviction for a thief, even though the penalties are extremely light in most cases. I know there are still some mental midgets out there waiting for an opportunity to steal My stuff, and I say good luck with that. I envy You fellas in the U.S haveing the right to protect Your own person and property, by what ever means necessary. We here in Canada would be in a lot of “doo-doo” if We ever decided to protect ourselves, or Our property, however some of Us old timers don’t agree with current gov’t policies and look after Ourselves, Some day I’ll share the story of Me shooting a fridge, by accident of course, while getting the drop on a burglar. The prospect of going to jail is not as daunting at 76 as it was at 36. Now all that said, I’ve owned and stored firearms for many years, up to 1400 at one point, and I have always had good luck with “open” storeage in a clean climate controlled environment with frequent maintanance, oiling and wiping down, etc. The side advantage is I get to enjoy, handle and admire My guns in the process. I know I can’t be the only person who thinks like this.
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
I envy You fellas in the U.S haveing the right to protect Your own person and property, by what ever means necessary. We here in Canada would be in a lot of “doo-doo” if We ever decided to protect ourselves, or Our property,Henry Mero said
Even if there’s a big butcher knife found clenched in the assailant’s dead fingers? We love criminals here in NYS, too, even repeat violent offenders face “no bail.” Pull up a photo of NY State Assembly members & you’ll know why.
“That’s What I Like ’bout The South” — Andy Razaf and Phil Harris
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Wow, 33 posts ahead of this one with regards to the subject matter. Apply Renaissance Wax and be done with it!😀
If you are really concerned, apply it thickly, the occasional white streak isn’t permanent.
Henry Mero said
First off I could never understand the concept of owning some beautiful antique firearms then salting them away in a safe never to be seen or enjoyed, it’s kinda like having a beautiful wife and never taking her out of the house
Some municipalities require storage in a safe, so this isn’t an option everywhere.
November 7, 2015
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Zebulon said
“That’s What I Like ’bout The South” — Andy Razaf and Phil Harris
Just ran off a solicitor who ignored my “No Soliciting” sign, bad idea in a disaster area with a looting problem. One is missing thanks to the recent tornado. Asked him nicely, twice, to leave. Then I asked him “you still here?” Stubborn but not stupid, apparently. Texas is a “Stand Your Ground” state and my neighbors are not receptive to carpetbaggers. I suppose in some jurisdictions I could be charged with hurting someone’s feelings.
Mike
November 7, 2015
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I generally transport my guns in a heavy fleece sock. On a cold day I wipe it down before putting it in the sock and leave it in the sock for at least several hours when I get home. The gun warms up slowly and no condensation forms. Wiping down a gun with condensation won’t reach all the areas where condensation forms.
Mike
At Cody in 1997 when we were in the gymnasium near the museum I took a 97 riot shotgun outside to take a better look. A small amount of rain drops were falling. I thought I had dried the gun but 6 or 8 months later some rust appeared next to an opening. I have hunted in the rain and snow many times with no problems.
A few years ago seems the Savage collectors were all excited about Snake Oil (for wood and metal). I never tried it but they raved about it.
steve004 said
A few years ago seems the Savage collectors were all excited about Snake Oil (for wood and metal). I never tried it but they raved about it.
It’s more of a grease than a free-running oil, containing moly-disulphide, but maybe not the best preservative.
steve004 said
A few years ago seems the Savage collectors were all excited about Snake Oil (for wood and metal). I never tried it but they raved about it.
Steve,
I still use it on all of the Winchesters I bring to a gun show. I lightly wipe them down with it when I set up, and then as needed throughout the show (as people handle the guns). When I get home and take them out of my soft cases to put the guns away in my safes, I wipe them down lightly again. I have been using the Old West Snake Oil for almost 25-years now.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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