Just got two more Winchesters to add to my post 64 collection. These are both post 64 and NIB and never fired. Wondering what the best procedure is to ‘treat’ them before they go into the safe. Usually I clean swipe the bore then lightly oil it and the outside of the barrel and the same to the woodwork and a light cleaning and inspection of the action/receiver. Now I’m questioning this procedure since the guns are factory new with factory oil and grease very obvious..some times too obvious. Should I just inspect these guns and put them in the safe or do a full clean up as described above? Thanks in advance for your thoughts and guidance. Andrew
I assume your safe is humidity-controlled.
All of the NIB specimens I’ve bought, the packing of which I can clearly remember, have been packed in sealed, anti-rust treated, clear plastic bags. However, I cannot clearly remember whether my first long guns — a Remington 600 and a Remington 870 – I bought in 1966 were bagged or not, nor a subsequent Browning Auto-5 in 1967 or 68. I do remember the A5 was cradled in a foam insert inside the black cardboard box, but otherwise I’m blank. I do seem to remember that new long guns used to be much more heavily coated in preservative grease than recently.
My point, I suppose, is manufacturers have come to rely on a closed, anti-rust atmosphere more than a R.I.G. like grease, which can wear off in spots in transit. Some of the anti-rust grease used earlier can harden into a brittle, hard substance that is difficult to remove.
What I do is carefully clean any heavy grease off any new piece with a thin, non-finish-risky, product like Ballistol, including the bore. Ballistol has some anti-rust properties. If I’m not going to shoot it soon, I run a R.I.G. coated patch through the bore and chamber. I store it in a soft, treated Bore Store case, in my safe with a Goldenrod dehumidifier. That works for me.
I never store cardboard in a dry, humidity controlled safe because it will de-laminate. Foam inserts will too, although it takes longer. Both are best stored at room temperature and humidity in a heated/air conditioned space.
The above has worked for me.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Agree with Zeb above….if they’re new, just a very light coating of oil/wipe down and put ‘er away! I too use ballistol.
I keep a goldenrod warmer and a cheap Amazon humidity/temp sensor in my safe. WHen I get older guns, those get at least a partial teardown to make sure there’s no rust hiding underneath parts before they go into storage.
I don’t get hung up on which oil, but I like Breakfree CLP. A light coat of oil is best, especially on wood. Too much oil on the wood may cause staining. Controlling the moisture is important. I don’t store cardboard boxes but I have a lot of documents and boxes of ammo in the safe. Some for over 30 years with no problems.
I like BreakFree CLP too, although you have to be cautious around imperfect plated finishes. Just as it admirably gets under rust it will do the same for a spotty nickel plated Colt .25 “vest pocket” automatic. As I discovered. There’s a “Collector” version of CLP the maker says is safe in that respect.
The thing we all know to avoid is squirting too much petroleum-based oil in the barrel or breech, then storing the gun vertically so the oil runs back into the face of the buttstock and its tang inletting, softening and eventually rotting the wood.
It may be vanity or overkill but I like to apply and polish off a good coat of clear, carnauba paste wax free of abrasives to gunstocks. If it’s one I hunt, when I have the stock off I apply some to the inletting. It’s harmless, although it evaporates over time and has to be reapplied.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Might as well throw out my free advice too, It’s worth exactly what you pay for it. I have been using Renaissance Wax. I also wipe down the bores with Hoppe’s #9, run patches until dry, and depending on the gun and whether I’m going to be shooting it soon or not, a swipe with lightly oiled patch. I like the Ren Wax for both the wood and steel. brings out a nice color to the guns.
Pretty much the routine I’ve been following. Wondering how often they need to be inspected and how often to re wax/re oil simply keep the wood and the steel perfect. First things first though. The humidity in the room is too high even with dessicant dehumidifiers in the safes. Probably easiest to just dehumidify the whole room
youthere2 said
Pretty much the routine I’ve been following. Wondering how often they need to be inspected and how often to re wax/re oil simply keep the wood and the steel perfect. First things first though. The humidity in the room is too high even with dessicant dehumidifiers in the safes. Probably easiest to just dehumidify the whole room
You are correct about humidity, It is very detrimental to steel, especially unprotected steel. Sweat from your hands and fingers will only exacerbate the process of iron oxidation. I, after a cleaning put them away in the safes only while holding them with a clean oily rag. I don’t even trust latex gloves.
Dessicants eventually have to be “refreshed” in a slow oven, although the ones I’ve recently seen change colors to give a clue. Ive always used Goldenrods, although they require power.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Ive read about every six months although I think it depends on whether it’s New Orleans or Tucson.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Always had a thing for NIB guns, mine remain in the box…..I wipe them down, put them in a quality gun sock and store them horizontally. I do occasionally inspect them. Been doing this for decades without any issues.
A couple NIB Sako’s I owned remained in the box in the plastic sleeves they left the factory in for over 40 years with no problems. I did inspect and wipe them down occasionally.
Tedk said
Always had a thing for NIB guns, mine remain in the box…..I wipe them down, put them in a quality gun sock and store them horizontally. I do occasionally inspect them. Been doing this for decades without any issues.A couple NIB Sako’s I owned remained in the box in the plastic sleeves they left the factory in for over 40 years with no problems. I did inspect and wipe them down occasionally.
I hear you, I like those NIB specimens too and they’ll remain unfired in my hands and others that already have the seal broken, they get shot every chance I get. The new ones are like art to me. The old ones? Preservations and enjoyment.
Never been one for the gun socks though, I hear others tell horror stories about them although I imagine it’s user error. I take all mine out of the box for the safe and then store the boxes in the closet.
oldcrankyyankee said
Might as well throw out my free advice too, It’s worth exactly what you pay for it. I have been using Renaissance Wax. I also wipe down the bores with Hoppe’s #9, run patches until dry, and depending on the gun and whether I’m going to be shooting it soon or not, a swipe with lightly oiled patch. I like the Ren Wax for both the wood and steel. brings out a nice color to the guns.
Renaissance Wax is Museum Quality and doesn’t dry to a white powder. It works on most anything.
I pull my guns out of the safe at least twice a year for a wipe down. But I am in and out all of the time and keep a few rags handy. One has BreakFree on it.
Jeremy P said
Never been one for the gun socks though, I hear others tell horror stories about them although I imagine it’s user error. I take all mine out of the box for the safe and then store the boxes in the closet.
Synthetic fabrics shouldn’t (theoretically) attract moisture as cotton or wool do, but maybe the tight fit of a sock diminishes that characteristic. I’ve always used ordinary soft cases without a problem, but they don’t cling to the metal as a sock does.
clarence said
Jeremy P said
Never been one for the gun socks though, I hear others tell horror stories about them although I imagine it’s user error. I take all mine out of the box for the safe and then store the boxes in the closet.
Synthetic fabrics shouldn’t (theoretically) attract moisture as cotton or wool do, but maybe the tight fit of a sock diminishes that characteristic. I’ve always used ordinary soft cases without a problem, but they don’t cling to the metal as a sock does.
Yeah, mixed reviews on those scare me…soft bags for me too but I would use a sock for moving protection but not for long-term storage.
November 7, 2015
Gun socks are a bit of a necessity for me, Jeremy. Most of my Winchesters are stacked in a horizontal safe so a thick, treated gun sock helps minimize handling damage because as some of us know the hazard of horizontal storage is one we want to retrieve is almost never at or near the top of the stack. Big fan of Ren wax as well, will apply to any I don’t intend to shoot. Applying Ren wax is also a great way to pass the time and generate interest at a show.
Mike
To me, a sock is knit and stretchy and closes with a string, often has somebody’s logo imprinted. Most are treated to repel moisure. Inexpensive. I started out with those and found they take up less room in the safe but sharp edges can dent adjacent wood through the fabric.
What I call a soft case goes by the trade name Bore-Store, is bulkier, closes with a flap, and costs more. Takes up more space but protects against dings better. Doesn’t stretch so different guns take different cases,
I think I use Bri-Wax, which offers colors. I use clear, black, and red, depending. It’s a woodworker material sold by Woodcraft and probably others. I haven’t applied it to metal but may try that, particularly on shotguns in iffy weather.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
March 1, 2011
oldcrankyyankee said
Might as well throw out my free advice too, It’s worth exactly what you pay for it. I have been using Renaissance Wax. I also wipe down the bores with Hoppe’s #9, run patches until dry, and depending on the gun and whether I’m going to be shooting it soon or not, a swipe with lightly oiled patch. I like the Ren Wax for both the wood and steel. brings out a nice color to the guns.
I am also a BIG fan of using REN-WAX
I inspect and re-wipe my collectibles down at least twice per year and have been extremely pleased with the results.
Tom Graham - Salmon, Idaho
November 7, 2015
Jeremy P said
I’ve heard of RenWax so many times, I’ll have to check it out at some point. I use a conditioner/wax product for stocks, but the ability to wax the whole thing is pretty intriguing.
I heard about it from a museum curator. Told me all I needed to know. One jar lasts a long time.
Mike
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