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March 20, 2009
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While digging through my data I found a series of unicorns, hen’s teeth, Saddle Ring Carbines! There was a batch of carbines consisting of 12 rifles manufactured that were VERY VERY VERY unique! The carbines are chambered in 32 WCF and have 24 inch barrels, they are engraved, have fancy wood stocks, and to put just a bit more icing on the cake, they also have gold trims!! SN range from 2762 to 2774
I have not found any of them “out in the wild” via my survey but only have the ledger entry for these rifles. Someone wanted some extremely specific rifles.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
April 15, 2005
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Those are definitely very special made Carbines! I suspect that they may have been a foreign country order.
I believe that Winchester also made a small number of Model 1873 Carbines with 24-inch barrels… Bob can most likely expound on the possible number.
Bert
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May 2, 2009
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I just checked and I don’t have any deluxe 73 carbines that have longer barrels.
Bob
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April 15, 2005
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1873man said
I just checked and I don’t have any deluxe 73 carbines that have longer barrels.
Bob
But you do have Carbines with 24-inch barrels ?
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July 14, 2016
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There is a confirmed 24” 1873 SRC here in Australia owned by a good friend of mine. A standard carbine. It letters.
Chris
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March 20, 2009
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Chris D said
There is a confirmed 24” 1873 SRC here in Australia owned by a good friend of mine. A standard carbine. It letters.
Chris
Can you get him/you to post a few pics of the rifle?
Michael
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July 14, 2016
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Hi Michael, it is a carbine, not a rifle.
I’ll leave that decision for him though.
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May 2, 2009
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There is a early carbine in the ledgers that says 24″ and blank in the barrel shape. It has a mate to it by order number a few numbers before it that is a standard carbine. There are 24″ rifles in between and after it so I have a suspicion its a ledger error. In the Madis book there is a gun with a carbine backend and round barrel rifle front end that looks to be 24″ but no serial number listed. In Gordon’s survey book he lists 14117 as a 24″ octagon carbine and its suppose to be in the Madis book but couldn’t find it in mine. There is another that was listed for sale in the may issue of the Gun Report that is a 24″ round barrel carbine.
Chris, I don’t have the one by you.
Bob
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November 7, 2015
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Cool! That’s why one of the first things I learned around here was “never say never” when it comes to the early days of Winchester.
Mike
May 2, 2009
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May 2007 issue
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July 14, 2016
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Ok I just spoke to him. He agreed to share the serial and a picture. He may send me more pictures.
Serial number is 293146. Bob, anything in your survey around this carbine?
Here is a picture with a 15” trapper, standard 20” and the unicorn 24”.
Chris
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May 2, 2009
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Chris,
Thanks, I didn’t have it. is it a 44?
There are some Pentridge guns in the 292xxx range and a 16″ trapper just after the 24″.
Bob
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July 14, 2016
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Hi Bob, yes it’s a 44. The Pentridge guns closer to it are in the 2927XX range.
Do you have any standard 1873 SRCs in 24” in your data besides that possible ledger error one?
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May 2, 2009
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Chris,
The closest one is 292798.
No other ones besides the ones I posted.
Bob
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March 15, 2020
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Regarding the special order carbines I find it interesting that the Chicago Worlds Fair began in May , 1893. I believe many manufacterers set up displays there. I have no conclusive info at this point but am going to try again. Right now is bed-time though. DFon
May 23, 2009
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86Win said
Regarding the special order carbines I find it interesting that the Chicago Worlds Fair began in May , 1893. I believe many manufacterers set up displays there. I have no conclusive info at this point but am going to try again. Right now is bed-time though. DFon
I’m pretty sure Winchester had a display there!
Maverick
P.S. The reason I logged it into to my memory bank is that it is one of the view period photographs that I have found that displays / advertises their Reloading Tools. There are some very rare Winchesters, Ammunition, and Advertising in this one photograph. If RIA had a time machine, no telling how many Millions would be contained in this one photo.
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March 20, 2009
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86Win said
Regarding the special order carbines I find it interesting that the Chicago Worlds Fair began in May , 1893. I believe many manufacterers set up displays there. I have no conclusive info at this point but am going to try again. Right now is bed-time though. DFon
The timing of the manufacture of these carbines works for possible display at the Chicago Exposition but I would tend to think that they were used for a “color guard” unit and possibly a foreign order as suggested by Bert. It is also possible that the “engraving” that is mentioned was a Name or political group since it does not mention the style/cost of the engraving which was typical in the ledgers. It is common for the ledger to reference $2 or $5 dollar engraving.
Michael
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April 15, 2005
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Because not a single one of those 12 consecutively serial numbers highly special ordered Carbines has surfaced here in the U.S. in the past several decades, I am relatively certain that they were exported to a foreign buyer. I Like Michael’s theory of being used for “color guard” purposes. Undoubtedly, the guns are still out there under some form of lock & key.
Bert
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