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Another "storied" rifle
July 3, 2021
4:40 am
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I have been noticing an awful lot of rifles on auctions lately to have really good stories that can’t be backed up.  This one caught my eye and figured I’d see what you all think.  I messaged them and got a scathing response when I questioned the story and was told all about how rare this rifle is and how it’s special order and “that it’s too good for me” at the price I offered him.  Just Bored and checking out sites on a Friday night and thought you all might enjoy it as well.

Eric

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July 3, 2021
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Even if the xx were 00; it would date to 1893- not the first year as described.  He says “only guessing” a few times to leave an out; not the worst I’ve seen but definitely should do some research into that rifle before making the assumptions.

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July 3, 2021
1:25 pm
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That’s a good one. Extra points for imagination.  Minus points for horrible spelling in all caps.

July 3, 2021
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Brooksy said
That’s a good one. Extra points for imagination.  Minus points for horrible spelling in all caps.  

Yes, all caps is an abomination; we see it here once in a while.  However, he deserves a pass on that, because he’s one on the rare FFL dealers who abides by ATF regs on antiques–most of those SOBs do NOT, refusing to ship except to another FFL!  This happened to me on a gun made in 1885!  Many won’t even honor a C&R!

Of course the “Hopalong” story is absurd (never saw him use anything but his nickel-plated SA), as well as the price, but no reason to doubt the studio prop story–many thousands of guns of all kinds were used for that purpose. 

July 3, 2021
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This same gun with the same story has been on GB in the past.

July 3, 2021
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I have an 86 in .45-70 that was used by a father/son Native team to kill Beluga whales in the Susitna River in the 1970’s, but at least I have a signed letter.

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July 3, 2021
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I believe this is the same rifle that was used by George Patton at the battle of Adobe Walls against Cochise.   

July 3, 2021
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I believe this is the same rifle that was used by George Patton at the battle of Adobe Walls against Cochise.     

Ok… that is very funny in a strange way Smile

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July 3, 2021
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I would not pay over 200.00 for that marked up, beat up Gun……………Kiss

July 3, 2021
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426crown said
I would not pay over 200.00 for that marked up, beat up Gun……………Kiss  

You’ve been outbid–I’ll give five for it, & keep shooting it with BP.  For a gun used as a movie prop, in other words, treated with all the TLC you’d show a tire-iron, it’s actually not that bad! 

July 4, 2021
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I bought a 92 SRC 44WCF that is marked by WCCO in several places along with “WESTERN” stamped near the butt. I got in contact with someone from the company and they were nice enough to inform me that they sold off all their prop guns in the 90’s ( I think) and there were no records on which were used on any shows. Mine had tacks embedded in the stock on the right side.

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July 5, 2021
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Hi nascar fan!  Couple of thoughts.  First, often expressed in differing ways, yet captured in sixties era speak…  “Whatever rings your chimes!”  🙂  I’ve ‘acquired’ my share of ‘stuff’, guns included, where more “seasoned head, value seekers”, not to go.  Over a decade ago buying a Model 71, 1937 “long tang” vintage, very nice condition, @ $1800 as finally ‘out the door’.  Just now maybe catching up to it’s actual value.  “A man, a gun, a moment, a credit card! ‘The impulse formula!’  

Second, who the heck really ‘knows’ value nowadays?  As more traditional mainstream “informed buyer” definitions begin to fail market realities, estimates of value become less measurable, thus “meaningful”.   “Value” changes with markets, the “informed experts” are ones bowing to market realities! Right now, “regulatory factors affecting”; “particularly driving” certain gun market segments.  Seems a Troika dragging along far broader gun market segments. So called “assault rifles, affecting the blunderbuss trade! 🙂 

Frankly, your new acquisition, as too many of my own yet ‘coveted rifles’ (eg: Model 1917 & 1898 milsurp sporters), unlikely to accumulate much in way of accolades!  But like my several SPCA K9 “mutts”…  Situation where I want to be! 

All words here, just my WAG!    

Enjoy that rifle!

John

July 6, 2021
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You know, that rifle by itself doesn’t look too bad. And for me, I’m glad it was all caps! Easier to read with my old eyes and tri-focals!

I don’t think the rifle was carried by Hopalong Cassidy, but, it was marked as a prop for the show. Could have been any of the cast.

I would tend to believe the markings in this case. And it’s a nice Gun!

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July 6, 2021
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No doubt  about  the  authenticity of the prop house markings.  I’ve  had  several over the years.  Hoppy story is a longshot at best.  Would not buy that portion of the story.  Too thin and no documentation.  It’s  a  neat  rifle.

July 6, 2021
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I agree it is more than likely a Western Costume Co rifle, but the seller is boosting the price because of a story he is trying to sell along with the rifle.  I’d own it if the price was right, but given the price and a story that can’t be proven, that rifle is worth less than one in the exact same shape with out the stampings.

July 6, 2021
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Looks like the wood is on the fancy side.  Wonder what a Cody letter would state.

July 6, 2021
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win1894 said
And for me, I’m glad it was all caps! Easier to read with my old eyes and tri-focals!

 

Every browser has an adjustment for enlarging the typeface, mine’s set at 120%.  I found bifocals exasperating to use, though I tried two different prescriptions, trifocals would drive me nuts!  So inside my house I always wear reading glasses, outside, progressives.

July 6, 2021
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win4575 said
  Hoppy story is a longshot at best.  Would not buy that portion of the story.  Too thin and no documentation.   

Longshot, as to the outer limits of the expanding universe.  There are about a million photos of Hoppy on the web, none with him holding any firearm but his two nickel SAs.  He could knock a bad guy off his horse at full gallop from a quarter-mile, so why would he need a rifle?

July 7, 2021
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Just watched a Hopalong Cassidy show called “Dead Man’s Hand” in which three guys grabbed three rifles from a rack and went outside. Didn’t watch any more..

But, I saw a gun case in the scene with a few rifles.

If this one is a rack queen, no wonder it’s in such good shape!

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