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I like more photos. Only (4) photos posted and none showing full view of each side.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
Kevin,
Winchester never installed a carbine barrel band on an octagon barrel. This covered up the “markings”. They also did not put this barrel on a carbine, as I recall.
Walter
wallyb said
Kevin,
Winchester never installed a carbine barrel band on an octagon barrel. This covered up the “markings”. They also did not put this barrel on a carbine, as I recall.
Walter
Good info!
I’m new at this but I haven’t seen a octagon barrel on a carbine.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
Kevin,
Winchester never installed an octagonal barrel on a carbine. It would be a short rifle.
Walter
There’s A LOT to learn but that’s one of the things that make these guns so interesting.
I learn something new about them everyday. I didn’t know until yesterday that only 38 and 44 caliber 1873’s had cleaning rod compartments in the stocks.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
Well, it is an unrestored, super rare, octagon barrel, trick shooter gun. And, the owner’s name, Smooth, is carved in the stock. Seems like a bargain at twice the price if you have been looking hard for one.
Online
These “carbines” were actually made up for MGM Studios back in the 1920’s and 1930’s for their movies. Here’s another that James Julia’s auction had awhile back.
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/2098-369/
Don
well in the spirit of the thread, what is wrong with this one? 553586201 I am learning here so I am asking lots of questions
the smooth stamped in the stock was a bit off putting.
patrick tompkins said
well in the spirit of the thread, what is wrong with this one? 553586201 I am learning here so I am asking lots of questions
the smooth stamped in the stock was a bit off putting.
With the lack of photos, the only thing I see wrong with it is that it has the wrong rear sight.
Don
I’m guessing the “SMOOTH” stamping on the buttstock is a reminder to the user to use the “5 in 1” cartridges instead of real ammunition. The barrel is stamped SMOOTH BORE and if this was a movie prop then that would make sense.
Also, the seller states it is a 44-40 Smooth Bore???? Would a Smooth Bore be also marked with a caliber stamp?
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
deerhunter said
I zoomed in on the James Julia gun and it is marked 44 W.C.F.
I saw that but I didn’t see SMOOTH BORE on the right side of that gun’s barrel. Still wondering if a barrel would have both 44-40 and SMOOTH BORE stamped on it.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
L
Wincacher said
deerhunter said
I zoomed in on the James Julia gun and it is marked 44 W.C.F.
I saw that but I didn’t see SMOOTH BORE on the right side of that gun’s barrel. Still wondering if a barrel would have both 44-40 and SMOOTH BORE stamped on it.
Leroy Merz currently has an 1892 short rifle marked “44 W.C.F.” and “SMOOTH BORE”. A while back, he also had one of the carbines that are the topic of this thread, but I can’t find any photos of it since it’s been sold.
http://merzantiques.com/photo/winchester-model-92-deluxe-short-rifle-in-44-caliber-smooth-bore
Don
Very interesting.
Wonder what would happen to a .429 projectile fired out of one of these smooth bores. Perhaps these were stock barrels that were re-bored smooth and re-chambered before shipping to MGM as the “5-in-1” blanks would also fit a .45 Long Colt.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
wallyb said
Kevin,
Buy the large George Madis book. It has a LOT of info.
Walter
I recently purchased “The Winchester Handbook” by Madis which has some good info.
Is that the Madis book you are referring, or is there another?
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
Winchester stamped the caliber marking .22 LR and the words Smoothbore on .22 rifles. So why not on other calibers?
I own a true Paramount Movie Model 92 as Mertz researched. Mine was purchased at Hudson Sporting Goods in NYC in about 1939 by a close family member. So there is little chance it is a fake. These are a now well know variation with a 7″ ultra short forearm and barrel band over the 20″ rifled Octagon barrel. They were made up from parts on hand and come in several variations. Barrels have The PW proof and the Oval mail order proof as well. Obviously Winchester took 24″ Mail order barrels from stock and used them to build these SRC carbines. I have handled 5 others at shows and from friends.
Kevin Jones said
wallyb said
Kevin,
Buy the large George Madis book. It has a LOT of info.
Walter
I recently purchased “The Winchester Handbook” by Madis which has some good info.
Is that the Madis book you are referring, or is there another?
Kevin,
The book we are referring to as the “Madis book” is THE WINCHESTER BOOK, the handbook you have is different. I have sent you a PM with some examples of THE WINCHESTER BOOK that are listed for sale.
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