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I surveyed this Model 64 when it was owned by a previous owner/collector… it did not have a box or anything else attached to it…
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/574757758
No shock based on the seller’s past history.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
November 7, 2015
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Nice rifle but it’s not a 97% gun IMHO. Looks like nobody fell for it, betting we’ll see it again later.
TXGunNut said
Nice rifle but it’s not a 97% gun IMHO. Looks like nobody fell for it, betting we’ll see it again later.
Maybe, but more than likely not. I sent the seller a message letting him know that I surveyed that rifle when it was owned by its previous owner, and that it did not have a box or any of the other faked stuff with it. I also let him know that if he did not remove it from Gunbroker, that I would inform them with my proof, and my next step would be to contact the California Attorney General concerning his fraudulent business practices. This particular seller is bad news for the Winchester collecting community.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Good move, Bert.
It’s nice to see a proactive move against the fakers for the sake of all collectors.
I’m glad our association will make a move like this and put some teeth into the debauchery.
Bill
Nice going, Bert, hope it works.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
November 7, 2015
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Good job, Bert. It’s folks like this one that kept me from getting interested in collector firearms for years. I always figured one of my first acquisitions would be a very expensive lesson. Sad thing is most of his victims never know they’ve been conned.
Bert,
Did the seller respond to you, or just end the auction without replying?
I wrote to the seller of the fake FWT “250 SAVAGE” model 70 that was listed a couple weeks back pointing out the problems with the barrel stamp. He never replied, but that auction was ended early also. I wonder if just a little bit of pressure will make these sellers nervous enough to clean up their act.
Maybe it won’t always work, but nice work getting this “in the box” offering off the market!
Justin
Very interesting and good work guys.
A couple of months ago I sent an inquiry to a respected dealer about a Model 1894 rifle made around 1897 that was “rare” because of a half octagon barrel. The receiver had no proof mark but the barrel did. I got a response to call so I could enter into a purchase agreement. I replied that the gun was not original and I had no interest in purchasing it. The rifle remained for sale, without alteration to the text about the rarity of the barrel and eventually sold as described.
The seller never made any false claims about the rifle, just an inaccuracy that he chose not to correct. But every time we can get these “misrepresentation” taken off the market (at least off the internet market) we have made a little progress towards improving the integrity of our obsession.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
pre64win said
Bert,Did the seller respond to you, or just end the auction without replying?
I wrote to the seller of the fake FWT “250 SAVAGE” model 70 that was listed a couple weeks back pointing out the problems with the barrel stamp. He never replied, but that auction was ended early also. I wonder if just a little bit of pressure will make these sellers nervous enough to clean up their act.
Maybe it won’t always work, but nice work getting this “in the box” offering off the market!
Justin
No, he did not respond to me, and I would have been completely shocked if had replied to me. I have sent him several warnings in the past, and even had the Gunbroker Auction Support staff send him a warning on one of his previous bogus auctions.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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