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Yesterday, I reached the 200 mark in the number of surviving Model 53’s I have recorded in my database. If anyone here has a Model 53, the data for which they have not sent me, I would be most grateful to receive it. This database has proved to be a highly useful exercise, yielding some interesting findings. The big question is how many Model 53 receivers were used to build Model 92’s? The two receivers were identical in every way except for the serial number, which ran from 1 to 10,845 for the early Model 53’s. If anyone comes across a Winchester Model 92 marked on the barrel, with a serial number in that range and an upper tang marking that states,

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Made in U.S.A.

Then you are looking at a Model 92 built with a Model 53 frame. These hybrids are very easy not to notice and are often mistaken for early Model 1892’s by the uninformed, or misdiagnosed as frankenguns by others. Early Winchester Model 1892’s in the same serial range had a different upper tang marking that included ‘Model 1892’. I am very eager to get info on Model 92’s built with Model 53 frames. It may help get a better estimate for the total number of Model 53’s produced. Incidentally, later Model 53’s were built with Model 92 frames with Model 92 serial numbers. The earliest number is 962262 which, according to Madis, dates to around 1926 but more likely has a barrel date closer to 1927 or 1928. So it seems that some Model 53 receivers were used to build Model 92’s between 1924 and 1927, but it doesn’t look like Model 92 receivers were used to build Model 53’s until around the end of 1927.

Also, barrel dates are especially valuable, especially those belonging to Model 53’s built with Model 92 receivers. They can’t be used to infer the exact year of build, but they can certainly be used to establish the earliest possible date they could have been built, and they can also be used to reconstruct the final years of the production of the Model 53. Thus far, the latest barrel date I have is 1930, and I only have one of those. It is possible that the last production run of Model 53 barrels was 1930 which may have been adequate for limited production in the final years of the Model 53 builds. Yesterday, I came across what appears to be an earlier Model 1892 that had been been rebuilt and rebarreled with a Model 53 barrel. It raises the possibility that Winchester never used up its remaining supply of Model 53 barrels and may have sold them off. On the other hand, the barrel did have a factory proof PW. I just find it hard to believe that Winchester would mount a barrel that says ‘Model 53’ onto a frame that has an upper tang that says ‘Model 1892’. I also find it hard to believe that someone would take a perfectly good Model 53, remove the barrel, and put it on an older Model 1892. Whatever the explanation, it is likely to be an odd one.

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I have come accross two model 53 for sale just today here in Australia. One that is all 53, serial number 3994 for $1190 & one that has 53 marked barrel with a ’92 serial number (989248) dates to 1927 priced at $125.00! I think I’ll get them both 🙂

How does the 53 barrel/92 reciever affect values?

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About 1/3 of all Model 53’s were serial numbered in the Model 92 serial range. They are genuine Model 53’s.

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Aussie_Mike said
How does the 53 barrel/92 reciever affect values?

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Mike

It doesn’t have any affect at all… it was perfectly normal on the later production Model 53s. Based on the survey Kirk is conducting, the first Model 53 rifles to appear in the Model 92 serial number range bore numbers in the 962000+ area.

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38-55,

I have one Model 53 in my collection. Let me know what information you need and I’ll get it to you.

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Here is the info I would like:

Full serial number:
Takedown or solid frame:
Caliber:
Any other special features/modifications: tang sight, pistol grip, checkering, etc.

It is a real bonus if I can get the two-digit barrel date from under the barrel, but if a collector doesn’t want to take off the forearm, I most certainly sympathize.

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Just PM’d you with my four….I’ll forward bbl dates when I get them later….

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Here is some info and pics of a model 53 for sale in OZ.
Hope this helps your study of this rare model
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http://www.buyagun.com.au/listing/882/Winchester_Mod_53_2520.html

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Thanks, Nicknack.

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Here’s another one,
Model 53, Take-down version, SN 3078, 32-20.

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Thank you, Corsair.

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Couple of solid frame 53s from a newbie.

.25/20 SN 4628 w/nickel steel bbl

.44/40 SN 963938

Can’t locate my .32/20…one of the kids must have it….will post its SN when I get it back….

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Hey Win38-55, Here is one for your Winchester Model 53 study.
serial # 649
appears to be a standard 22" round barrel, small ramp front sight,flat top rear sight, walnut stocks,solid frame, 32WCF.

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thanks, both of you, for that info for the database. This brings me to the 250 level now.

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here’s a couple more 53’s, takedown 32wcf, serial #10740. takedown 32wcf serial#10663. solid frame, 44wcf serial#970821. solid frame 44wcf serial#6409. hope these help

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Good morning,

Win38-55 and I have been doing a bit of "cross pollination" with the Model 53 and Model 1892 surveys we are working on. Could those who have passed on data on their Model 53 rifles take just a moment and tell us which tang stamp you have on your gun and reference the SN in your reply please?
Type 6
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Type 7
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of the 4 model 53’s i just listed, the one in the model 92 serial range is type 7. the other 3 are type 6.

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My thanks to Twobit for doing the research on these tang stamps and posting this request. Any data posted here or PM’d to me will be added to my database accordingly.

By way of update:
I am beginning my first draft of an article on the Model 53 for the WACA journal. This will take at least a year. Once I think it is just about ready, I will send it for peer review to one or two very knowledgeable members of this board. When that is done and the corrections/suggestions incorporated, I will submit it to the WACA journal, so you will all get to see the results which, I promise, will be interesting and set the best resource out there for the Model 53.

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Win38-55 said
My thanks to Twobit for doing the research on these tang stamps and posting this request. Any data posted here or PM’d to me will be added to my database accordingly.

By way of update:
I am beginning my first draft of an article on the Model 53 for the WACA journal. This will take at least a year. Once I think it is just about ready, I will send it for peer review to one or two very knowledgeable members of this board. When that is done and the corrections/suggestions incorporated, I will submit it to the WACA journal, so you will all get to see the results which, I promise, will be interesting and set the best resource out there for the Model 53.

988783 is type 7
1494 is type 6
467 is type 6

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.25/20 SN 4628 w/nickel steel bbl Type 6

.44/40 SN 963938 Type 7

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