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Dominion of Canada Proofed Saddle Ring Carbines
March 23, 2014
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Hi, I'm a new member, been lurking around for a year or so.
Any of the members here have any info on the British Royal Navy purchase of 20,000 1892 SRC's and 5,000 1894 SRC's in 1914? Apparently they were purchased for use on Royal Navy mine sweepers and coastal vessels at the outbreak of WW1. Canadian inspectors were sent to the Winchester factory to proof stamp the rifles and they were shipped to Halifax Naval Yard to be turned over to the Navy. They were sold as surplus in the 1920's for export as none have been found with commercial British proofs. Apparently a lot have turned up in Australia and New Zealand and a few in Canada. From the little information available I have learned there is a documented case of a British seaman engaging a German submarine running on the surface at around 150 yards range. Must be the only case of submarine versus Winchester combat recorded.

March 23, 2014
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Hi Mike and welcome to the site. AlanD on this site has been compiling information and doing a survey on these guns. He can be contacted at alandavid303@optusnet.com.au He is in Australia.

March 24, 2014
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Thanks for the tip, Brian. I have one and know where there are two others. I will forward the serial numbers to the man.

March 24, 2014
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Hello Mike,

I also would be interested in the rifles so that I can add them into my survey of the 1892's. You can either post the numbers here or send me an email at 2bitrifles@gmail.com

Michael

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March 24, 2014
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Wouldn't mind finding out more about that engagement between the British seaman with a Winchester 30-30 carbine and a German sub. I'll bet that John Browning never saw THAT coming the day he submitted his design to Winchester!

March 24, 2014
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Very timely question concerning these interesting carbines. I have gathered documentation from Winchester factory sources, the Canadian govt. and British Admiralty and written a detailed article that will be published in the "Winchester Collector" magazine that goes to the press on Thursday. The article documents the purchase of both the Model 1892 and the 1894 carbines and includes the incident where one of the carbines was used in a battle that sank a German U boat. The magazine will be mailed to WACA members before March 15th. Contact the Executive Secretary at: GHill@winchestercollector.org for a copy.

Single issues are available to WACA members for $7 plus postage and to non-members for $10 plus postage or better yet, use this opportunity to join WACA if you are not yet a member by going to the new web site at http://WWW.winchestercollector.org and clicking on the "Membership" button.

March 24, 2014
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Reference my last posting - the article is 4 pages in length and the magazine will be mailed by April 15th not March 15th - Thanks Paul!

March 24, 2014
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Mike, I am sure there was article written about these guns in the Canadian Journal of Arms Collecting a few years ago but I will have to wait until I'm back in the Great White North to find it in my library.

February 24, 2018
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"road king" said
Hi Mike and welcome to the site. AlanD on this site has been compiling information and doing a survey on these guns. He can be contacted at alandavid303@optusnet.com.au He is in Australia.  

mike webb said
Hi, I'm a new member, been lurking around for a year or so.
Any of the members here have any info on the British Royal Navy purchase of 20,000 1892 SRC's and 5,000 1894 SRC's in 1914? Apparently they were purchased for use on Royal Navy mine sweepers and coastal vessels at the outbreak of WW1. Canadian inspectors were sent to the Winchester factory to proof stamp the rifles and they were shipped to Halifax Naval Yard to be turned over to the Navy. They were sold as surplus in the 1920's for export as none have been found with commercial British proofs. Apparently a lot have turned up in Australia and New Zealand and a few in Canada. From the little information available I have learned there is a documented case of a British seaman engaging a German submarine running on the surface at around 150 yards range. Must be the only case of submarine versus Winchester combat recorded.  

Hello Mike.

I myself own a 1914 Winchester model 1892... 44/40 with Canadian proof mark.

I have been on an adventure to find out how much value this proof mark adds to my gun.

Right now the riffle is around 65% to 70%. Any information from this forum would be appreciated.

Thanks Butch

February 25, 2018
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Is there any way to post pictures to this forum? I want to post some of my model 1892... 44/40 with the (DCP) proof mark

February 25, 2018
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You have to be a WACA member to have the ability to directly upload pictures to the forum. As a non-member, you can post a link to pictures hosted one a different website.

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Rick Hill said
Very timely question concerning these interesting carbines. I have gathered documentation from Winchester factory sources, the Canadian govt. and British Admiralty and written a detailed article that will be published in the "Winchester Collector" magazine that goes to the press on Thursday. The article documents the purchase of both the Model 1892 and the 1894 carbines and includes the incident where one of the carbines was used in a battle that sank a German U boat. The magazine will be mailed to WACA members before March 15th. Contact the Executive Secretary at: GHill@winchestercollector.org for a copy.

Single issues are available to WACA members for $7 plus postage and to non-members for $10 plus postage or better yet, use this opportunity to join WACA if you are not yet a member by going to the new web site at http://WWW.winchestercollector.org and clicking on the "Membership" button.  

Rick,

I look forward to reading this article.  When I get around to writing my book on the 1892's based on my survey I may want to talk to you about including the article into the book.  Thanks for all your efforts.

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February 25, 2018
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Rick,

I look forward to reading this article.  When I get around to writing my book on the 1892's based on my survey I may want to talk to you about including the article into the book.  Thanks for all your efforts.

Michael  

Michael,

You're in luck. Since we took a short trip back in time with this thread, that article was in the 2014 Spring Collector. You can read it today. 

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Michael,

You're in luck. Since we took a short trip back in time with this thread, that article was in the 2014 Spring Collector. You can read it today.   

Back to the future!!  Embarassed  I thought it sounded familiar but also thought that it might be a new and different article.

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February 25, 2018
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the serial # on my Winchester model 1892 is # 758591.

Hope this helps Michael.

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twobit said

Hello Pontiac,

Can I get the full serial number of your rifle so that I can add it into my survey of the 1892's which I am working on?    https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/

Thanks so much

Michael  

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September 14, 2019
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Rick Hill said
Very timely question concerning these interesting carbines. I have gathered documentation from Winchester factory sources, the Canadian govt. and British Admiralty and written a detailed article that will be published in the "Winchester Collector" magazine that goes to the press on Thursday. The article documents the purchase of both the Model 1892 and the 1894 carbines and includes the incident where one of the carbines was used in a battle that sank a German U boat. The magazine will be mailed to WACA members before March 15th. Contact the Executive Secretary at: GHill@winchestercollector.org for a copy.

Single issues are available to WACA members for $7 plus postage and to non-members for $10 plus postage or better yet, use this opportunity to join WACA if you are not yet a member by going to the new web site at http://WWW.winchestercollector.org and clicking on the "Membership" button.  

Hi Rick,

Is the fate of the carbines that were used on the HMAS Inverlyon during the sinking of UB-4 known?  She had returned to a regular fishing vessel when she was sunk 2 years later so one would presume the weapons were removed?  Are any of these DCP marked carbines preserved in any of the maritime museums in the UK?

 

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I don't know about the fate of any carbines that were on HMAS Inverlyon but most likely these were sold off by A Fleming & Co in the 1920's or if the carbines were retained for Sea Cadet use after the Great War, they would have been sold off by tender or auction after the Second World War.

 

There are some DCP carbines in the reserve collection of Explosion! Museum in Gosport, near Portsmouth. I have examined them and reordered the serial numbers. Some were marked DP for Drill Purpose and some has a saw cut through the breech. I doubt that any have a recorded history as such but the donation source may be recorded for some of them. Most likely this will just be a Naval Ordnance Depot location rather than a ship. But could also be a Cadet unit. I did not make any inquiries along these lines.

 

Also, the Maritime Museum in Greenwich, London, have one in their collection, but I have not confirmed if it is DCP marked, but it is in the right serial number range.

 

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