
Just to keep this thread going I thought I would post a few photos of my Model 94/95 hybrid that I found a couple of months ago. I have already sent photos and information to Bert for his survey.
Nice find there Road King. The Winchester Model 94 from this time frame is very interesting. Within the Depression Era time frame,I would imagine that every Company was doing what they could to keep the Pay Roll going for their workers and staying in business.
Was this Model 94/95 included in Bob R’s research? or is it a new one that surfaced?
As per the Winchester Collector Magazine,(Summer 2012 edition) 50 of these hybrids have been accounted for according to Rick Hill who wrote the article.
I see as per the Serial Number, that Rick didn’t have that one listed in his Article.
I wonder what ever happened with Mark W. if he acquired that Model 94/95 that he found?
Enjoy the Day,hokie
"I Would Have Rather Lived Through The Industrial Revaluation"
"Instead of The Space Age"
From
The Twilight Zone
Bob Renneberg, Rick Hill, and myself have been tracking and surveying them for the past several years. My survey includes all of those that were originally surveyed by Art Gogan, and all new serial numbers/guns found by Bob, Rick, and myself. I am the keeper of the survey, and I provide periodic updates to Bob and Rick. Currently, there are (52) Model 94/95 hybrids confirmed in the survey.
I have them subdivided into Type-1, Type-2, Type-3, and Type-4, and the types are based on the barrel length and front sight configuration.
Type-1 = 20" barrel, dovetailed front sight.
Type-2 = 20" barrel, pinned blade front sight.
Type-3 = 22" barrel, dovetailed front sight.
Type-4 = 22" barrel, pinned blade front sight
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
hokie said
Nice find there Road King. The Winchester Model 94 from this time frame is very interesting. Within the Depression Era time frame,I would imagine that every Company was doing what they could to keep the Pay Roll going for their workers and staying in business.Was this Model 94/95 included in Bob R’s research? or is it a new one that surfaced?
As per the Winchester Collector Magazine,(Summer 2012 edition) 50 of these hybrids have been accounted for according to Rick Hill who wrote the article.
I see as per the Serial Number, that Rick didn’t have that one listed in his Article.I wonder what ever happened with Mark W. if he acquired that Model 94/95 that he found?
Enjoy the Day,hokie
hokie I informed the guy holding the rifles for the family that owns them of what I had as far as value and what the rifle was (a 94/95 hybrid and what significants that had in the scheme of things) I then made my best offer making sure they knew that had I not researched the rifle it would have gotten sold as a funny looking shooter for $350-400.00 And that is pretty much where it sits.
It is my understanding the family won’t be doing anything with the firearms from the old mans estate until the old man passes away. Or they get closer to selling the property. All of which could be months to even a couple years away. I was told the old man is in very poor heath and suffering from dementia.
It is my guess that if they accept my offer (and I can invent the money) then it will come my direction. If not then there is a very good chance they will ask me too handle the sale via an auction or somewhere like this forum.
In any case the fat lady ain’t sung and the deal ain’t done……….yet.
Well Mark,
Keep track of it and try not to loose sight of it. Keep in touch with the family, maybe you could even be the broker for all the firearms they want to get rid of.
Good Luck, hokie
"I Would Have Rather Lived Through The Industrial Revaluation"
"Instead of The Space Age"
From
The Twilight Zone
That’s the intention hokie. The guy who is currently in charge of them is the one that asked me to help value them. And I see him at least 2-3 times a week at work. We both run dump trucks he has his own and I drive for a Paving company that works out of the same plant as he does.

hokie said
Nice find there Road King. The Winchester Model 94 from this time frame is very interesting. Within the Depression Era time frame,I would imagine that every Company was doing what they could to keep the Pay Roll going for their workers and staying in business.
Was this Model 94/95 included in Bob R’s research? or is it a new one that surfaced?
As per the Winchester Collector Magazine,(Summer 2012 edition) 50 of these hybrids have been accounted for according to Rick Hill who wrote the article.
I see as per the Serial Number, that Rick didn’t have that one listed in his Article.I wonder what ever happened with Mark W. if he acquired that Model 94/95 that he found?
Enjoy the Day,hokie
Yes, I did, presuming that I am the “Mark W” you are referring to.

Hmmm. Maybe I’m not the Mark W being referred to, but I have one of the aforementioned hybrids, and I’m a Mark W. Mine is serial number 10244xx. I bought it as a “funny looking shooter” at a gun show about 20 years ago in central Texas. Shortly after that time I discussed it with Art Gogan, who included it in the list. For some reason I started thinking about the hybrid and decided to do some research on the web. Very interesting discussion here, thanks to each who contributed.
Wow… this topic still lives on, and in respect of its ongoing longevity, I am providing everyone with a detailed update on the status of the Model 94/95 hybrid survey;
The tables below are copied directly from my Excel spreadsheet, which now has a total of (57) surveyed Model 94/95 hybrid specimens. All (57) of them are still in the year 1928, with none of them yet to be found outside of that year.
As I have previously mentioned, per the original Polishing Room serial number application records, there were a total of 25,912 Model 94 receivers made in the year 1928, and that total includes several thousand Model 55 rifles. As of today, I have surveyed a total of (395) serial numbers made in the year 1928. Of the number, (78) of them are Model 55 rifles, and (317) are Model 94s. Of the (317) Model 94s, (45) of them are Sporting Rifles, and (272) are Carbines. Of the (272) Carbines, (57) of them are the 94/95 hybrids. When extrapolated, it indicates that a total of (3,739) hybrids were made. Now, and with that stated, please keep in mind that these numbers that I have presented to you are only preliminary, and that they will most likely change (trending lower) as additional serial numbers are surveyed. In that regard, if you own, or know of a Model 55 or Model 94 that is in the 1012754 – 1038665 serial number range, please get in touch with me with the details so that I can add it to the survey.
Bert
Variation | Barrel Length | Front Sight | Qty |
Type-1 | 20″ | Dovetailed | 29 |
Type-2 | 20″ | Pinned | 14 |
Type-3 | 22″ | Dovetailed | 4 |
Type-4 | 22″ | Pinned | 10 |
Total | 57 |
1928 | M55/M94 | M55 | M94 | M94 Rif. | M94 Carb | M94/95 | |
Totals | 25,912 | 395 | 78 | 317 | 45 | 272 | 57 |
% | 1.524% | 19.747% | 80.253% | 14.196% | 85.804% | 20.956% | |
Est Prod. | 5,117 | 20,795 | 2,952 | 17,843 | 3,739 |
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Mike Hunter said
But the question in my mind is still; Why?
Mike,
If you had approximately 3,700 left over (excess) .30 caliber barrels on hand, would you just pitch them, or rework and use them? Keep in mind that these were nearly finished barrels, with all sight provisions, bored, rifled, and otherwise ready to be installed. It appears that Winchester simply made the necessary alterations to fit them up to a Model 94 receiver versus a Model 95. Of additional interest, I have been able to verify the date stamp on the barrel of several specimens… all of them were “28”.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Mike,
I agree, and I believe that there are at least a few thousand of them “out there” in gun cabinets, closets, etc. It is important to take into consideration that we “collectors” only see a very small percentage of all the old Winchesters that were made. To give you an example, I have been surveying the Model 1885 Single Shots for almost 30-years now, and as of right now, I have only found 5.38% of them… where are the other 94.62%? They most certainly were made and exist, but I have not found them (yet).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
A likely scenario about using the obsolete 95 barrel surplus may have originated from a Warehouse employee needing space to stack new items. He would inquire to his boss what are these and where can we shift them, The issue would go up the ladder until a bean counter would get the assignment to do a costing project on using the obsolete stock up. Options would include factors of scrap metal proceeds, possibly solicitating sale to a parts dealer, or in a possibly in less busy work schedule ,the estimated cost to adopt the barrels for the 94 Carbines (which in this case was agreed upon)
I am imagining the incredulous reaction of Employees back then, if they only knew that mundane daily operations would provide us with trivia that we spend time pondering , thrive on , and meticulously survey and document
Phil
Here is another one up for sale. Bert, not sure if you have this one in your survey. Mike this would be a good one for you to buy and examine. Looks like real nice condition
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=509565675
Brian
Brian,
Thanks… I already had that 94/95 hybrid in the survey. Below is my survey document showing all of the 94/95 hybrids found this far.
Serial No. | Variation | Caliber | Barrel Length | Front Sight | DOM | Barrel Date | |
1014894 | Type-3 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Dovetailed | 1/26/1928 | ||
1024116 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 5/19/1928 | ||
1024455 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 5/25/1928 | ||
1025007 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 6/4/1928 | ||
1025016 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 6/4/1928 | ||
1025214 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 6/7/1928 | ||
1025339 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 6/7/1928 | ||
1025460 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 6/9/1928 | ||
1025506 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 6/11/1928 | 28 | |
1025936 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 6/16/1928 | 28 | |
1026225 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 6/19/1928 | 28 | |
1027124 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 6/30/1928 | ||
1027816 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 7/16/1928 | ||
1027817 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 7/16/1928 | ||
1027842 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 7/16/1928 | ||
1027955 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 7/17/1928 | ||
1028070 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 7/18/1928 | ||
1028178 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 7/23/1928 | ||
1028299 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 7/23/1928 | ||
1028788 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 8/1/1928 | ||
1029502 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 8/8/1928 | ||
1029742 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 8/13/1928 | ||
1029940 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 8/14/1928 | ||
1030775 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 8/24/1928 | ||
1031207 | Type-4 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Pinned blade | 8/31/1928 | 28 | |
1031403 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/6/1928 | ||
1031413 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/6/1928 | ||
1031481 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/7/1928 | 28 | |
1031698 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/11/1928 | ||
1031760 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/11/1928 | ||
1031778 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/11/1928 | ||
1031847 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/12/1928 | ||
1031906 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/13/1928 | ||
1031907 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 9/13/1928 | ||
1031911 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/13/1928 | ||
1031991 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/13/1928 | ||
1031999 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/13/1928 | ||
1032143 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/17/1928 | ||
1032290 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/19/1928 | ||
1032291 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/19/1928 | ||
1032377 | Type-4 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Pinned blade | 9/20/1928 | ||
1032579 | Type-4 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Pinned blade | 9/24/1928 | ||
1032618 | Type-4 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Pinned blade | 9/24/1928 | ||
1032663 | Type-4 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Pinned blade | 9/1/1928 | ||
1032687 | Type-4 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Pinned blade | 9/24/1928 | ||
1032795 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/25/1928 | ||
1032813 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/25/1928 | ||
1032835 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/25/1928 | ||
1032846 | Type-1 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Dovetailed | 9/25/1928 | ||
1032942 | Type-3 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Dovetailed | 9/26/1928 | ||
1033178 | Type-4 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Pinned blade | 9/27/1928 | ||
1033180 | Type-4 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Pinned blade | 9/27/1928 | ||
1033259 | Type-4 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Pinned blade | 9/28/1928 | ||
1033422 | Type-2 | 30 W.C.F. | 20″ | Pinned blade | 10/1/1928 | ||
1033596 | Type-3 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Dovetailed | 10/2/1928 | ||
1034204 | Type-4 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Pinned blade | 10/17/1928 | ||
1035596 | Type-3 | 30 W.C.F. | 22″ | Dovetailed | 11/12/1928 | ||
Total | 57 | ||||||
1928 | M55/M94 | M55 | M94 | M94 Rif. | M94 Carb | M94/95 | |
Totals | 25,912 | 397 | 78 | 319 | 45 | 274 | 57 |
% | 1.532% | 19.647% | 80.353% | 14.107% | 85.893% | 20.803% | |
Est. Prod. | 5,091 | 20,821 | 2,937 | 17,884 | 3,720 | ||
Variation | Bbl | Front St | Qty | ||||
Type-1 | 20″ | Dovetail | 29 | ||||
Type-2 | 20″ | Pinned | 14 | ||||
Type-3 | 22″ | Dovetail | 4 | ||||
Type-4 | 22″ | Pinned | 10 | ||||
Total | 57 |
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bit of a late revisit to this Thread and catching up. First thing… Thanks so much Burt for all the effort displayed in developing that relevant & informative XL Spreadsheet product!!!
Just a small point concerning the mentioned residual tapped holes in the Model 95 barrels as adapted.
My 94/95, SN 1032846, duly listed on that spreadsheet, has NO extra holes visible whatsoever! Just a small point re the ‘profile’ provided. Perhaps an exception?
Just a questioning…
My take
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