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I remembered seeing and reading about some 94/64 Hybrids… but can’t seem to find any info on them by searching here. 

I am supposed to be looking at and possibly buying a rifle tomorrow that is pictured below. The parts forward of the receiver are marked and appear to be Model 64. 
The receiver rearward seems to be a 94.

I don’t yet know the serial number.

Were these hybrids produced during a certain range of production?

Can anyone point me in the direction of some information on these?

 

Thanks!

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Hello Joel,

Winchester did not manufacture a Model 94/64 hybrid.  Instead, the were assembled using mail order parts, typically using an older Model 1894 receiver.  It appears that the barrel is roll matted, which is not something that Winchester offered for the Model 64.  It would be interesting to know what the serial number on the receiver frame is, and what the 2-digit year number stamped on the bottom of the barrel is.

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Hi Bert,

 

Thanks for the prompt reply. 

Sorry for the confusion, but the roll matted barrel is my (signature picture?) and is on a model 71 deluxe made in 1936. You have it in your survey. 

Assuming I get the gun I’ll post more information including the serial and date code. 

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I have one of those 64/94 rifles. The receiver is from an early 94. Everything else is model 64 in 30 WCF. Checkered wood, pistol grip. Has the right butt plate. There was a sporting good store in Aberdeen Wa. that put together lots of Winchesters with parts around WW2.

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I have 2 of theses ’94/’64 rifles ser#1,343,643 is actually in Bob Rennenbergs book, it is .30 cal. 24″ tapered bbl. ramped and hooded front sight, with the mod.64 stamp and ’39 under the forestock, both bbl. and r’cver is double proof marked. It is a straight grip stock and serrated steel butt plate.  Ser#1,299,686 is.32 W.S. 24″ tapered bbl. ramped and hooded front sight but has the Mod. ’94 bbl. stamp and ’39 under the forestock the bbl. and r’cver have single proof marks. it is a straight grip stock with the serrated steel butt plate. it also has the mod. ,64 sling swivels.  Except for the Mod. designation stamps,Both guns are Mod ,64 from the r’cver forward and Mod’ 94 r’cver and aft and look identical except for the sling swivels.Both these guns certainly look as though they were manufactured as is, there is no apparent after market work having been done on either rifle, everything fits properly and the finish is uniform and original. I know there are those who will say they are “made up” guns but I believe they were factory produced, at the time, of “parts”, much like the 94/95 variants, due to the shortage of materials at the time. I have had these 2 guns a long time and would be very reluctant to part with them as I find them a very handsome and unique variation of the ’94,  considering Winchester supposedly did not manufacture any ,94 rifles post 1936, until recently.

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Thanks gents for the input and information – I appreciate it. I ended up bringing the rifle home with me. 

It is a complete standard grade model 64, 32 special barrel/forearm/tube/front end assembly.

The receiver appears to be a Winchester model 94 with serial number 35900. The barrel has both the factory and the mail order proof stamps. 

It seems obvious this gun was put together outside the factory.

I was initially excited about how early the receiver was… until it dawned on me it been drilled for the prep that’s on it. 

The action is smooth and it shoulders well. I laid very little for it. I suppose it’ll be a hunter!

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November 27, 2019 - 12:37 am
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Here is my 94/64 Hybrid:  Someone added sling eyes, but the rest looks legit.  Thus the pictures of the tang meeting the receiver.  Has the type 7 tang marking, type 7 barrel stamp (30 W.C.F.).  Roger

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So mine looks just like every other checkered pistol grip 64 and has the 64 swivel mounts. 24″ barrel. Ramp front sight. The 94 receiver is 169462 and is stamped Winchester 1894. The barrel date is 39. Mine is a .30WCF. 

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November 27, 2019 - 1:04 am
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Also besides the Winchester proof mark on the barrel it also has the circle P. 

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November 27, 2019 - 1:44 am
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Henry Mero said
I have 2 of theses ’94/’64 rifles ser#1,343,643 is actually in Bob Rennenbergs book, it is .30 cal. 24″ tapered bbl. ramped and hooded front sight, with the mod.64 stamp and ’39 under the forestock, both bbl. and r’cver is double proof marked. It is a straight grip stock and serrated steel butt plate.  Ser#1,299,686 is.32 W.S. 24″ tapered bbl. ramped and hooded front sight but has the Mod. ’94 bbl. stamp and ’39 under the forestock the bbl. and r’cver have single proof marks. it is a straight grip stock with the serrated steel butt plate. it also has the mod. ,64 sling swivels.  Except for the Mod. designation stamps,Both guns are Mod ,64 from the r’cver forward and Mod’ 94 r’cver and aft and look identical except for the sling swivels.Both these guns certainly look as though they were manufactured as is, there is no apparent after market work having been done on either rifle, everything fits properly and the finish is uniform and original. I know there are those who will say they are “made up” guns but I believe they were factory produced, at the time, of “parts”, much like the 94/95 variants, due to the shortage of materials at the time. I have had these 2 guns a long time and would be very reluctant to part with them as I find them a very handsome and unique variation of the ’94,  considering Winchester supposedly did not manufacture any ,94 rifles post 1936, until recently.  

I find it very interesting that both of yours, and mine also have ’39 model 64 barrels.

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rogertherelic said
Here is my 94/64 Hybrid:  Someone added sling eyes, but the rest looks legit.  Thus the pictures of the tang meeting the receiver.  Has the type 7 tang marking, type 7 barrel stamp (30 W.C.F.).  Roger

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Roger,

Your hybrid is reverse from most of them in that the butt stock and butt plate are of the Model 64 configuration, and the front half of the gun is a Model 94 Carbine.  What exactly is marked on the barrel?

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Bert, This is the barrel marking:

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I believe I have a 1938 catalog that offers a pistol grip option for the carbine in the options section.

Roger

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