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Well I just acquired this lil gem. I’m sure I’ve got to much in it but I had to have it. But I can take the lashing, just so yall are aware you wont be getting no cherry.

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Patrick,

I recognize the rifle, my brother sold it at the SAXET gun show in San Antonio a year or two ago.  He had had it for about 10 years, not sure how he came by it.  He sold off most of his collection in the last year.   Its been cleaned on the receiver as can be seen.  I think the bore on it was fairly good, I know we shot it a couple times but cant remember much about how it shot.  If this is the right rifle, it should have “Mod. 1892” on the upper tang.  Not the best condition gun but for sure a hard to find configuration with the 1/2 Oct barrel and full magazine.  Just my opinion but I believe you find fewer special order rifles in 38-40 than any other caliber.  

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Patrick-

Sometimes a gun just just latches on and won’t let go, I understand and will be the last to criticize someone in that situation. I like the configuration and the cartridge. If Chris is right it’s a shooter so it’s all good; enjoy!

 

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Patrick,

I recognize the rifle, my brother sold it at the SAXET gun show in San Antonio a year or two ago.  He had had it for about 10 years, not sure how he came by it.  He sold off most of his collection in the last year.   Its been cleaned on the receiver as can be seen.  I think the bore on it was fairly good, I know we shot it a couple times but cant remember much about how it shot.  If this is the right rifle, it should have “Mod. 1892” on the upper tang.  Not the best condition gun but for sure a hard to find configuration with the 1/2 Oct barrel and full magazine.  Just my opinion but I believe you find fewer special order rifles in 38-40 than any other caliber.  

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Well I bought it at the San Antonio show. Been looking at it for a month, what did he get for it so I know how much profit I had to pay out?

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This Gun was bought on Gun Broker my years ago for a pawn Shop out of New York the thing that I liked about the Gun was that it was in the 50000 serial range for export only and all the markings matched what The Winchester Handbook 1 of 1000 had. The gun was cleaned by someone before I owned it but all the years I walked the gun show never seen another one like it with the configuration and markings. I sold the gun for the same as I paid for it 950.00.

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Well he made money, more than I like to give’em. He was asking 14. We arrived at 12. The cleaning doesn’t bother me, I dont know why it such a big issue other tha exposing it’s TRUE condition. It’s still original. I’m assuming you mean 500,000 not 50,000?

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In the (The Winchester Book 1 of 1000) (Large Book) On page 367 they talk about the 92’s that were intended for export serial number 475,000 through 525,000 where intended for export. That is the 50000 thousand range I was talking about.

The (Winchester Handbook 1 of 1000) Page 117 does talk about it a little but I think you get more information from the big book. 

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Patrick said
Well I just acquired this lil gem. I’m sure I’ve got to much in it but I had to have it. But I can take the lashing, just so yall are aware you wont be getting no cherry.

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Congrats on the new rifle Patrick.  As long as it is something you like that is what counts.  Can I get the full SN so that I can enter the rifle into my survey of the 1892’s?  And some detailed photos of the rifle and it’s markings?   Based on the configuration and caliber combination I don’t find it in my data.  You may be interested in my interpretation of the upper tang stamp style.  

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I do have to disagree that the tang marking has anything to do with export of rifles to Britain.   The tang stamp style on your rifle, with or without the small “MOD 1892” stamped across the tang, is found between SN 476000 and 502000.  Roughly 25,000 rifles This corresponds to production from 1909 for the Model 1892.  The earlier guns with the style do not have any MOD 1892 added to the tang whereas the later examples in this range do have it.  Those early gun are indeed lacking any Model designation on them.  The majority of the rifle in this range are sporting rifles in 25-20 WCF caliber.  I have catalogued right at 200 rifles with this tang stamp style and not a single one has any foreign proof stamps!  I know Madis claims the tang style was used for export guns but the data does not support that claim.   

It is interesting to note also that during 1909 this identical tang stamp style was begun to be used on the Model 1890 slide action .22 caliber rifles.  Those rifles already had the Model designation being applied to the barrel so there were no guns produced without model designations.  This style was used until 1915 for the Model 1890’s.  Certainly Winchester did not intend to solely export 6 years worth of 1890 production.

It is my belief that the use of this tang stamp style on the Model 1892 rifles was a production error.  I will be the first to admit that 25,000 rifles with an “error” is a bit hard to believe but the export idea does not make sense either.

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