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Did you just volunteer or did everybody else take one step back.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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1873man said
Did you just volunteer or did everybody else take one step back.Bob
Have been thinking about a master index for articles for some time now since I’m always trying to find information and either the search function on this site sucks or I’m deficient in my search skills. Would be a simple matter to update regularly once it is put together.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Wincacher said
Have been thinking about a master index for articles for some time now since I’m always trying to find information and either the search function on this site sucks or I’m deficient in my search skills. Would be a simple matter to update regularly once it is put together.
Well A while back me and Rick Hill worked on this vary thing back in I believe 2012. If I recall Rick and I had an Excel spreadsheet that went from WACA’s founding up to sometime in 2012 (if I recall correctly). I’ll have to dig and see where I stuck it. I did a quick look on my computer but hadn’t come across it just yet, but I think I’ve also upgraded computers since then as well. Give me a few days and I’ll try tracking it down. It may also be on my work computer as well. I think I also made a .Pdf of it. I believe that when the association updated the website and forum in 2012, the spreadsheet we made is what was used to list all the articles next to the Magazine Flip-book icons on the website. As far as why the cross reference was never put on the website or given to members, I do not recall. I’m only a paying member of the association, and not a member of the board, and I don’t recall the reasoning. Also would add that most of the board members have changed since then. I think the thought might have been, that if you merely scroll down the website, you can read the titles of the various articles and fairly well easily find what your looking for.
Also the cross reference was only for the Winchester Collector Magazine, and not for the website forum. The search function on the site only searches the Forum Topics.
Rick do you still have a copy of the cross reference?
Sincerely,
Brady Henderson
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What would be the greatest help from the index is if its searchable so if someone want articles about 94’s you get a list of all 94 articles and what mag and page number its in. The next evolution of that would be so you click on the article index and it would take you right to the article.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Just knowing where to find an old article by subject would suit me fine. I’ll start working backwards to 2012 in case that spreadsheet is found. A .pdf file, updated periodically, and posted as a “sticky” post would be a great first step.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Attached is the .Pdf version of the Cross Reference that is from March 1977 – Summer 2014. I will have to add the most recent editions when I get a chance.
Using Adobe Pdf latest version there is a search function tool in the program that allows you to search it. You can search it by Title, Author, or Model. If the article had a specific model listed is was noted. Also if the article contained a serial number it was listed and we had a column for “other info” that was a general summary of the topic.
Now how to connect this to be viewed by clicking on an Icon and pulling up said Article, like Bob suggests, is out of my wheel house of knowledge. I would imagine that would take considerable effort to something like that.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Thanks but that is the same thing as scrolling down the list of past issues and seeing the article titles. The page numbers are a plus.
What I was interested in was an index where one could look up to see if there was anything published in WACA regarding, for example: set triggers on 1886 models, cleaning rods on 1873’s, engraving on 1866’s, etc. Something like this:
Model 1886
Calibers March 1968 pp 33-36
Carbines April 1969 pp 38-40
Sights May 1970 pp 41-42
Take Down June 1971 pp 43-48
Model 1892
Etc., etc., etc.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Maverick,
Thanks for posting it. I just tried it out and it is faster than paging down and looking at each issue. The search feature works good, I found a article about a prototype 1873 in 22 I was thinking of writing a article about. If it was in Excel it would be more searchable but not everyone has Excel.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Wincacher said
Thanks but that is the same thing as scrolling down the list of past issues and seeing the article titles. The page numbers are a plus.What I was interested in was an index where one could look up to see if there was anything published in WACA regarding, for example: set triggers on 1886 models, cleaning rods on 1873’s, engraving on 1866’s, etc. Something like this:
Model 1886
Calibers March 1968 pp 33-36
Carbines April 1969 pp 38-40
Sights May 1970 pp 41-42
Take Down June 1971 pp 43-48
Model 1892
Etc., etc., etc.
I’ll see if I can find the Excel sheet. In excel you can sort by column and it will put in order by every article noted as being for example “1873”. But I don’t know how much more complicated than that the current spreadsheet is. You’ll have to remember this was a work in progress at that time, and basically was never finished. Rick Hill and I started this from scratch from looking through our collections of the collector.
Now if you would like to continue updating it, your are more than welcome to do so. I’m a working stiff and not yet retired like most members of the association and don’t have a lots of free time. If you want to add additional information such as Engraving, Calibers, Carbines, Sights, Take Down, etc. etc. you can make a new column and go through by hand and add whatever info you’d like.
One thing you should remember majority of the articles in the Collector are not always about specific models, or serial numbers, etc. and alot time are general topics concerning gun collecting or just the general mood of the said author of the article. I have to laugh sometimes when I read back about “Gun Control” topics and topics about the cost of collecting or the latest trend in collecting. Interesting stuff.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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I just discovered that if you type in what you want to search for in the magazine search box you will see a list of all mags that have that word in it as long as its printed next to the mag picture as articles contained in it. I just typed “prototype” and got a list of 6 mags with prototype articles.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
I just discovered that if you type in what you want to search for in the magazine search box you will see a list of all mags that have that word in it as long as its printed next to the mag picture as articles contained in it. I just typed “prototype” and got a list of 6 mags with prototype articles.Bob
Yeah I never noticed that about the magazine search either. So if whatever your searching for is in the article title it can be found.
I found the Excel spreadsheet workbook, but when I try to upload it, I get a “File Extension Error” and it won’t let me upload.
I would send it to you in a PM, but that doesn’t seem to be working either.
Wincacher
Did you download the .Pdf to your computer? Or are you just looking at it through the web browser link? If you download it and open it up from your desktop and use the search tool, you can type in whatever your looking for, and if it in the title or if we included it in the “other info” column it will pull it up.
In Excel you can sort by word usage and it will list all items by that topic. But like I said above, I can’t get it to upload the Excel file right now. I’ll keep giving it a try. If you want I can email it to you but if you do develop it further by adding more Info to it. I request if you would please share it with the fellow members. It may not look like much, but me and Rick had some time putting this thing together. If anything I think it is a good start for what your wanting.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Here is a .Pdf of the list in Order By “Model”. When I compare it with the WACA site Mag Search function, i.e. take the 1866, the .Pdf has 19 issues listed vs 18 Mag Search, also the .Pdf has them in order by date vs the Website Mag Search does not.
Hope this is somewhat helpful to you.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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1873man said
I just discovered that if you type in what you want to search for in the magazine search box you will see a list of all mags that have that word in it as long as its printed next to the mag picture as articles contained in it. I just typed “prototype” and got a list of 6 mags with prototype articles.Bob
Great discovery. That is a great improvement over trying to remember where I saw it some years ago, or searching each magazine’s index.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Wincacher
Did you download the .Pdf to your computer? Or are you just looking at it through the web browser link? If you download it and open it up from your desktop and use the search tool, you can type in whatever your looking for, and if it in the title or if we included it in the “other info” column it will pull it up.
Downloaded both .pdf files to my computer. Will have to try them out to better understand how they work. Thanks for the tip.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
I would like to see photos of the OP’s rifle. Unfortunately, with the changes to photobucket, I have no substitute hosting going at the moment. It sounds like a fun rifle. The .38-70 is an interesting cartridge. It seems it is about as rare as the .40-70. However when I think about the .38-70, I am aware that Marlin did not chamber it in their Model 1895. The Marlin ’95 pretty much followed the Winchester 1886, chambering their rifles in: .33, .38-56, .40-65, .40-70, .40-82, .45-70 and .45-90. They did not chamber the .50 caliber or the .38-70.
By the way, presently, I see that Leroy Merz has two .38-70’s and one .40-70 listed for sale. I think it is very safe to say that the scarcity of the cartridges is factored into the price.
With all the talk about 38-70’s appearing on this thread, I’m going to re-post my 38-70 inquiry from the Winchester Shooting & Shooting Forum as there was no response over there:
What I have found so far is that with identical loads and projectiles in different volume cartridges, as the volume increases the pressure decreases. But I haven’t found if there is a safe limit to the increased cartridge volume.”
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
As a starting point, are you wanting to duplicate original factory cartridge performance (e.g. lead bullets weighing about 255 grains with a muzzle velocity of about 1500 fps)? And, what is your powder preference (e.g. black powder, black powder substitute, or smokeless such as IMR 3031, 4198, Trailboss, AA5744, etc.)? What is your purpose (e.g. occasional target/plinking or you want to hunt with the rifle and find as high performing as would be safe)?
In looking through Cartridges of the World, two loads for the .38-70 are listed. One specifies a 250 grain lead bullet with 26.0 grains of IMR 4198 for a MV of 1710 fps. The other load specifies a 265 grain lead bullet with 41.0 grains of IMR 3031 for a MV of 1700 fps. I note that this same reference book lists the same powders the .38-55. For the 255 grain bullet they specify 35.0 grains of 3031 for a MV 1820 fps. Also for the 265 grain lead bullet, they specify 20 grains of 4198 for a MV of 1470 fps. As you can see, they are specifying lighter charges for the .38-55 vs. .38-70.
As an additional reference, my copy of George Nonte’s, “The Home Guide to Cartridge Conversions” lists the .38-70. He suggests using .45-90 cases and for case sizing states, “Size full length in 38/70 die; trim to 2.335″ length; use .376 bullets.” He also notes: “38-56 die may be used by running case in until it will chamber.” He lists one load, using a 265 grain lead bullet with 41 grains of 3031 for a MV of 1700 fps.
I would not conclude all .38-55 loading data is safe in the .38-70. This cartridge is currently chambered in modern firearms so there is plenty of, “hotter” data out there designed to be used in new manufacture firearms and deliver a higher level of performance.
The above also assumes your specific rifle has no issues and is in good working order. And finally, anyone wanting to use the above references, should verify them for themselves. I always do this with internet forum data as errors can be made, numbers transposed, etc.
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