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1927 94 saddle ring carbine, worth the price?
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December 8, 2022 - 10:22 pm

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Us novices are at such a disadvantage when evaluating these rifles. I’m interested in a 32 Win special, 1927, 94 saddle ring carbine, out of town and I’d have to drive to get it, the owner says bore is excellent, and is asking $1,200.

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December 8, 2022 - 10:33 pm

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jertex said
Us novices are at such a disadvantage when evaluating these rifles. I’m interested in a 32 Win special, 1927, 94 saddle ring carbine, out of town and I’d have to drive to get it, the owner says bore is excellent, and is asking $1,200.

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I’d pass on that 

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December 8, 2022 - 10:42 pm

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Same here.  The wood has been sanded and refinished and looks very much out of place.  The rear King sight is not original either.

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December 8, 2022 - 11:17 pm

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deerhunter said
  The wood has been sanded and refinished and looks very much out of place.

  

“Horrible” is the word I’d use.

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December 9, 2022 - 12:18 am

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clarence said

deerhunter said

  The wood has been sanded and refinished and looks very much out of place.

  

“Horrible” is the word I’d use.

  

I’d definitely pass.  

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December 9, 2022 - 1:17 am

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It is not worth even half of the asking price.

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December 9, 2022 - 5:04 am

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So a novice can learn, you’d pass because the wood has been refinished or because of the way it’s been refinished? Because of the replacement rear sight? Other reasons? Just trying to learn on what to look out for when trying to find an old Winchester at the right price.

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December 9, 2022 - 9:22 am

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https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/Tips+on+Buying+an+old+Winchester/

There is a plethora of information on this site. Buy books, research them, and post pictures of your potential purchases here for us to see them. Do this prior to forking out $$$!

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December 9, 2022 - 12:07 pm

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Aussie Chris said
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/Tips+on+Buying+an+old+Winchester/

There is a plethora of information on this site. Buy books, research them, and post pictures of your potential purchases here for us to see them. Do this prior to forking out $$$!

  

 Very well said!

 It’s far better to know what your looking at before you buy. T/R

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December 9, 2022 - 2:01 pm

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Aussie Chris said
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/Tips+on+Buying+an+old+Winchester/

There is a plethora of information on this site. Buy books, research them, and post pictures of your potential purchases here for us to see them. Do this prior to forking out $$$!

  

Exactly! If an old Winchester is what you want they are easy enough to find. If you want to be a serious collector and want to be able to do some trading with serious collectors I’d recommend spending some time with books written by serious collectors or talking with them at shows. There’s nothing wrong with refinished or altered guns, it’s just that most collectors are not interested in them. A growing number of folks are paying serious money for guns the traditional collector is not interested in. Some sellers seem to have targeted that market segment and apparently understand it better than I. 
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December 9, 2022 - 3:43 pm

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jertex said
So a novice can learn, you’d pass because the wood has been refinished or because of the way it’s been refinished? Because of the replacement rear sight? Other reasons? Just trying to learn on what to look out for when trying to find an old Winchester at the right price.

  

Hi jertex, I will answer your inquiries and great questions. First regarding the gun, the reason the condition doesn’t warrant the price is because this gun has been sanded at some point and possibly re-stained in the process. I’ve seen different shades of Winchester red during this time period but I don’t believe blonde was one of them. It also appears to me cold blue has been applied at some point to the receiver and lever going by the photos imo, and as mentioned, the rear sight is wrong. It should have a 44A to make it correct and it would cost anywhere from $200-$300 for the sight when you find one.

As a novice or new collector you have to start somewheres and my start was with mostly shooter grade guns that had a few issues, but I could shoot them at the range which was my intentions and all the while learning from books and articles that some of our fellow WACA members here have written. As time went on, I progressed to higher grade and condition, guns with more options, and within a couple years realized quality for me was better than quantity.

My purchases now are very calculated, and I do as much research on the gun as I can. I ask for as many photos as I can get, and often reach out to some of the experts, here on the forum to get their opinion or assessment. You came to the right place for information, history, and camaraderie when it comes to Winchesters and someone is always eager, and happy to answer any questions. Good luck collecting in the future. 

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December 9, 2022 - 5:40 pm

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RickC said

jertex said

So a novice can learn, you’d pass because the wood has been refinished or because of the way it’s been refinished? Because of the replacement rear sight? Other reasons? Just trying to learn on what to look out for when trying to find an old Winchester at the right price.

  

Hi jertex, I will answer your inquiries and great questions. First regarding the gun, the reason the condition doesn’t warrant the price is because this gun has been sanded at some point and possibly re-stained in the process. There are different shades of Winchester red during this time period but I don’t believe blonde was one of them. It also appears to me cold blue has been applied at some point to the receiver only going by the photos, and as mentioned, the rear sight is wrong. It should have a 44A to make it correct and it would cost anywhere from $200-$300 for the sight when you find one.

As a novice or new collector you have to start somewheres and my start was with mostly shooter grade guns that had a few issues, but I could shoot them at the range which was my intentions and all the while learning from books and articles that some of our fellow WACA members here have written. As time went on, I progressed to higher grade and condition, guns with more options, and within a couple years realized quality for me was better than quantity.

My purchases now are very calculated, and I do as much research on the gun as I can. I ask for as many photos as I can get, and often reach out to some of the experts, here on the forum to get their opinion or assessment. You came to the right place for information, history, and camaraderie when it comes to Winchesters and someone is always eager, and happy to answer any questions. Good luck collecting in the future. 

RickC

  

That was very helpful, Rick, greatly appreciated. Even as a novice, I was certain that the stock had been refinished before I ever posted anything here and I even caught the fact that the rear sight didn’t look standard. I didn’t notice application of cold blue. It seems to me that there are two types of “collectors”, those who want a pristine and/or truly rare Winchester and are willing to risk significant money, or the collector of good quality shooters because they appreciate the history and enjoy the experience of shooting lever action rifles. I tend to think I’ll lean toward the latter, it’s a lot less expensive, I get to shoot what I buy for much less money spent on a very speculative item, and if I make a mistake, the financial impact is less troublesome. An example of a Winchester I purchased like this is a 1951 model 94, 32 win special, in very good condition, but had a butt stock replacement that was fit well but the finish didn’t come close to matching the forend. It had a cycling issue that was fixed by replacing a carrier spring. I paid $400 for it, $25 for a replacement spring, and I have the stock off to strip and refinish so it’s more traditional, and I’ll have a nice shooter to enjoy with my sons and appreciate the history behind the Winchester rifles. If I lose $100 bucks if/when I go to resell it, that’s pretty cheap entertainment and great memories with my family. It doesn’t mean that I won’t try to grab a true gem at a good price, but that’s less likely to happen these days with the wealth of knowledge available on an informative site like this one.

Jerry

I'm more of a shooter than a collector, but I do have a few collectibles.

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December 9, 2022 - 5:49 pm

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…the collector of good quality shooters because they appreciate the history and enjoy the experience of shooting lever action rifles. jertex said

  

My friend, you are talking about ME, too!  I’ll leave the mint guns to Big Larry!

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December 9, 2022 - 7:10 pm

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I buy guns in a little higher condition than I can afford

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