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Hello all new here. This Winchester 94 has a pistol grip. I was wondering if it was factory. It has a marbles front sight and 3 leaf express sight. 
The pistol grip cap looks like a deluxe Winchester cap. Obviously the front site is not Winchester. The rear site looks Winchester. What is the serial number? With that info we can see if it will letter and if different sites originally came with the gun.
cwachter said
The pistol grip cap looks like a deluxe Winchester cap. Obviously the front site is not Winchester. The rear site looks Winchester. What is the serial number? With that info we can see if it will letter and if different sites originally came with the gun.
After re reading your post I am not sure about a carbine having a pistol grip stock? Someone else needs to respond that has knowledge of 94’s of this era.
The sight is a marbles I believe it is original to the gun but I am no expert. It doesn’t letter it’s 900,000’s I will post serial
I can’t tell in the photo but does it have a crescent buttplate or a carbine plate? I believe what I can see in the barrel address is incorrect for a 1920 gun.
sb said
I can’t tell in the photo but does it have a crescent buttplate or a carbine plate? I believe what I can see in the barrel address is incorrect for a 1920 gun.
What makes you believe the barrel address is incorrect?
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Daniel F said
What makes you believe the barrel address is incorrect?
Daniel,
The barrel address marking is most likely correct, but I need to know what the complete serial number is to be sure.
I also need to see clear close-up pictures of the butt stock fit to the receiver and the upper and lower tangs. A “rifle” butt stock is very uncommon special order on an SRC, especially with is being a pistol grip.
The marbles front blade is possible, as is the 3-leaf express rear sight. That stated, I highly suggest that you remove whatever it is that is wedged under the rear portion of the 3-leaf express sight.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Is the wood checked? Hard to tell from the pics. To determine if the buttstock is original you may be lucky enough to find assembly numbers stamped on the lower tang that would match those on the wood under the buttplate, and possibly stamped on the underside of the buttplate. Would require you to remove the buttstock to see–but be careful if you do, you run the risk of damaging the wood.
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If I were to build one like I would yave ordered it in the day. I couldnt imagine it being any diffrent than that one. I think its way cool, I hope it checks out for your sake.
Bert H. said
Daniel,
The barrel address marking is most likely correct, but I need to know what the complete serial number is to be sure.
I also need to see clear close-up pictures of the butt stock fit to the receiver and the upper and lower tangs. A “rifle” butt stock is very uncommon special order on an SRC, especially with is being a pistol grip.
The marbles front blade is possible, as is the 3-leaf express rear sight. That stated, I highly suggest that you remove whatever it is that is wedged under the rear portion of the 3-leaf express sight.
Bert
Bert under that sight is a square piece of metal idk how it got there.. what’s supposed to be there? It may have been place there to raise the sight?
Bert H. said
Daniel,
The barrel address marking is most likely correct, but I need to know what the complete serial number is to be sure.
I also need to see clear close-up pictures of the butt stock fit to the receiver and the upper and lower tangs. A “rifle” butt stock is very uncommon special order on an SRC, especially with is being a pistol grip.
The marbles front blade is possible, as is the 3-leaf express rear sight. That stated, I highly suggest that you remove whatever it is that is wedged under the rear portion of the 3-leaf express sight.
Bert
Daniel F said
Bert under that sight is a square piece of metal idk how it got there.. what’s supposed to be there? It may have been place there to raise the sight?
There is not supposed to be anything under the rear portion of the sight. I suspect it was wedged up to correct a sighting issued created by the incorrect front sight blade.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Daniel F said
The butt stock fit looks very good. The odds are in your favor that it is original to the gun. The serial number is a bit early for style of barrel address, but not enough that I would be overly concerned that the barrel is not original. Pistol grip SRCs were quite uncommon during the 1920s, and the receiver frame could have sat in the assembly room for a few years before it was used to build the gun. The one thing I would do, is remove the magazine tube and forend stock to look at the barrel date.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
If it was created outside of the factory they had to change the lever and lower tang as well as the stock.
I have a 1950’s 94 that was modified the same way. Makes a nice carbine.
Although I don’t have it in my hands to personally examine it, this is shaping up to look like a darn neat carbine. I’ve seen a fair number of 1894 pistol grip carbines over the years. One has to be cautious with these as more than a few have been made up using lower tangs and buttstocks from rifles. It’s my rough recollection of those that I’ve seen, more have been fitted with rifle buttplates vs. carbine buttplates. I’ve also seen a fair number with hard rubber shotgun buttplates. In original configuration, these are a favorite of mine. I am particularly drawn to this carbine because of the chambering 
Daniel F said
Do you think it was altered or original?
As I stated, I don’t have it in my hands, but my impression is that it is original.
Bert H. said
Daniel,
The barrel address marking is most likely correct, but I need to know what the complete serial number is to be sure.
I also need to see clear close-up pictures of the butt stock fit to the receiver and the upper and lower tangs. A “rifle” butt stock is very uncommon special order on an SRC, especially with is being a pistol grip.
The marbles front blade is possible, as is the 3-leaf express rear sight. That stated, I highly suggest that you remove whatever it is that is wedged under the rear portion of the 3-leaf express sight.
Bert
I’ve had quite a few guns with serial numbers several thousands higher than this one and none have had that lightening style address. Is there a survey that shows the earliest serial number known with that style barrel address?
It definitely would be interesting to know the date code.
Bert H. said
The butt stock fit looks very good. The odds are in your favor that it is original to the gun. The serial number is a bit early for style of barrel address, but not enough that I would be overly concerned that the barrel is not original. Pistol grip SRCs were quite uncommon during the 1920s, and the receiver frame could have sat in the assembly room for a few years before it was used to build the gun. The one thing I would do, is remove the magazine tube and forend stock to look at the barrel date.
Bert
If you have never removed a magazine tube beware. If you don’t take your time and soak the band area and twist it a bit, soak them again, now wiggle and move forward just a little, clean push back in and soak again. Do this a little at a time to clean the crud out or you will scratch the tube from the band all the way to the receiver.
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