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January 15, 2025
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I am a new member and not familiar with the forum process. I recently acquired a Winchester 1894 serial number 811XXX with a 20″ carbine barrel and what I believe to be a 2/3 length magazine. It is 32 Winchester Special caliber. According to what I found online the serial number makes it a 1917 production. It has a crescent shaped steel buttplate. It does NOT have a saddle ring. I would be interested in any info others might be able to give me. Thanks for any input.
December 9, 2002
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Welcome aboard!
You will need to post a complete serial number for you’re model 1894 rifle, mfg. in 1915. The best reference online anywhere is on this Forum, at the top, under Resources, and click on that to see when was your Winchester made. No other resource is more accurate than here. Pictures of you’re rifle will help out tremendously.
Anthony
April 15, 2005
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Please read this topic and post a series of clear pictures of your November 1915 production Model 1894.
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Bert
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January 15, 2025
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Here are pictures of what I now know to be my 1915 production Winchester 1894. Thanks for all the help so far. Y’all are great.
Lynn
December 21, 2006
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The first thing I see is the 2 extra holes in the receiver, probably for a sight, and I would have to question if the rifle butt stock is original to the gun.
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January 15, 2025
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Henry,
It certainly appears to have had a sight mounted on the left side of the receiver like many peep sights I’ve seen on others.
Lynn
June 15, 2024
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I’m just learning this stuff so feel free to ignore me. I suspect this gun may be pieced together. I see a rifle style butt plate attached to the stock, and with no saddle ring, the receiver may be from a rifle as well.
The forearm and barrel are both from a carbine.
The rear sight is not standard for a carbine and the blade on the front sight looks off to me as well.
The short magazine tube and button cap are also not standard.
Again, I’m no expert. Bert and others will guide you in the right direction.
February 17, 2022
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Looks like a cutdown rifle with extra holes weird sights to me. possibly a Frankenchester.
January 15, 2025
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Thank you.
April 15, 2005
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It is a Frankenchester, but I believe it started life as an Eastern Carbine. The “rifle” butt stock is not original, the rear sight is not original, the front sight is not original, and the receiver frame has been buffed and refinished. The barrel and 2/3 magazine are most likely original. In summary, it is a “shooter” grade gun with minimal value.
Bert
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January 15, 2025
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Thank you.
June 15, 2024
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Did Winchester make Eastern Carbines in 1915?
I thought they entered the stage in the late 1920’s / early 1930’s.
June 26, 2013
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Alaska94 said
Did Winchester make Eastern Carbines in 1915?I thought they entered the stage in the late 1920’s / early 1930’s.
Yes–assuming on a special order basis. Here’s one from 1916 which is a bit unusual with a factory rifle buttstock and rear sight dovetail pushed forward to accept a rifle-style rear sight, which is a full California buckhorn. The last photo is a snip-it from Bob Renneberg’s model 1894 book.
Don
January 15, 2025
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Bert,
The front sight appears to be a Marbles 94C supposedly made for the 1894 Carbine. Is this correct? Also what is the correct rear sight for this carbine? Thank you.
April 15, 2005
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Rampart54 said
Bert,The front sight appears to be a Marbles 94C supposedly made for the 1894 Carbine. Is this correct? Also what is the correct rear sight for this carbine? Thank you.
The front sight is a Marbles 94C, and they were made for the 1894 Carbines… but they were not factory installed. Based on the location of the rear sight dovetail, the original rear sight was either a Carbine leaf (No. 44A), or a Winchester 3-leaf express sight.
Bert
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January 15, 2025
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Bert,
Man you are a wealth of knowledge! Which of those two rears would you recommend to match up with the Marbles 94C or does it matter?
thank you for your time and patience!
Lynn
April 15, 2005
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Alaska94 said
Did Winchester make Eastern Carbines in 1915?I thought they entered the stage in the late 1920’s / early 1930’s.
Yes. Based on my research survey (which begins with serial number 354000), Eastern Carbines were available on special order as early as June 1907. The lowest serial number that I have documented is 354550. In total, I have (115) documented before 1916 (June 1907 – December 1915).
In the year 1928, Winchester began manufacturing batches of Eastern Carbines as standard practice.
Bert
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