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November 20, 2022 - 6:59 am
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I picked this one up the other week.  It is a heavy octagon barrel 22 Short with a set trigger.  Was this a standard production combination?  The gun has Winchester scope blocks.  The slot filler looks perfect as in factory installed.  There is no wear marks from a sight ever having been on the gun.  No signs of a tang sight either.  Could the blocks have been factory installed at this date.  The gun shows use as you can see but is very crisp with good blue except for the receiver. This came into the shop from an estate. 

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It is very possible that it was indeed ordered with a Winchester Telescope… I recommend checking it with the CFM.

It appears to have a 24-inch No. 3 barrel.

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There’s a problem if the gun left the factory in 1905:  the Winchester scope line received it’s first official notice in the 1910 catalog.  Blocks should have a 1908 pat. date on the right side.  Of course, the gun could have been returned to have the blocks or a new brl. installed, in which case there should be a “R&R” notation.  Features of the gun–.22 Short, palm-rest, DST, & scope–suggest it was set up for Gallery competition, very popular at the time in urban areas, as only a 25 yd range was required.  Why the need of a scope at short short range?  Because only small fractions of an inch separated the top scorers.  Ammo companies published ads showing one ragged hole shot with their product, Peters generally being top-contender at this time.

Terrific gun regardless of when the blocks were installed.  Only thing left to complete the package is an A5 scope, the prices of which seemed to have dipped very slightly; there’s one on ebay right now.

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I figured the A5 scope would be correct for the gun.  I had a loose one for a while but I came into a factory heavy barrel Springfield 1903 rifle for which it is also correct so it is sitting on it right now. I will run this this one through Cody since it seems plausible as it sits.  I did check the scope on eBay but it is in too poor of condition to match this gun with basically no blue remaining on the scope. 

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I figured the A5 scope would be correct for the gun.  I had a loose one for a while but I came into a factory heavy barrel Springfield 1903 rifle for which it is also correct so it is sitting on it right now. I will run this this one through Cody since it seems plausible as it sits. 

  

I agree. It wouldn’t surprise me if the receiver was serialized years before the rifle was built and shipped. I have a good example of that sitting in my safe today and have seen others. Almost passed on it because it had proof marks and the info on this site indicated this well-optioned Single Shot was serialized in 1903. Cody records tell more of the story. It was built and shipped over four years later, after Winchester began using the proof stamp on top of the receiver and barrel. It’s a good thing I reached out to someone much smarter than me! Cody search on this .22 could be interesting, indeed.

 

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