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Slow morning so I dug out my two Model 1895’s for side by side comparison. I noted that 1895, serial # 45469, 30 U.S. does not have a magazine screw or hole on the right side of the receiver (Ok, I hear the peanut gallery hollering at me about not realizing this previously). Anyway, what say the experts by way of explanation? My only reference is Pirkle’s Volume 3 and I did not find explanation there. Below are right and left photos of the receiver in question.
I hope the upcoming 1895 book has the answers but in the meantime thanks for your input.
Mac
Both of my 95’s have this hole on the right side. Each one is earlier than yours though.
I’ve never taken a 95 apart but I have a hunch……… Seeing as there is a plug screw on the left side of the receiver directly across from the hole in question. The 95’s could be set up like the other lever guns where you remove the plug screw and push out the bolt linkage pin with a punch. ( insert the punch into the hole and push the pin out the set screw hole)
Erin
Big Mac, I should have said both of my guns on the right side look just like your pictures. What does your other one look like?
Chuck said
Big Mac, I should have said both of my guns on the right side look just like your pictures. What does your other one look like?
Chuck,
In answer to your question I took side-by-side photos of the 30 U.S. rifle and 30 Govt.’06 carbine right and left side of the receiver. The 30 U.S. is the lower receiver in both photos. Note the 30 U.S. right side of the receiver does not have a hole or screw head for the magazine screw directly opposite from the left side of the receiver while the 30 Govt. ’06 does. I looked at pix of other 30 U.S. 1895’s on line and note that they too do not have the screw hole on the right side so perhaps this is unique to the cartridge. Hopefully one of the 1895 gurus will educate me.
Thanks,
Mac
Hi Guys
I believe the Madis Book and the Pirkle book have the extra screw on the right side starting around s/n 75000. We found them earlier with two screws and much later without, maybe safer to say there is a transition between s/n 70000-90000 with fliers. Interestingly, Rob owns two unserialized rifles with prototype bottom loading magazines patented by T.C. Johnson for Winchester in 1898, one first model, one second model, and both have the extra screw on the right side as well. Both rifles were once part of the Winchester Firearms Reference Collection. We talk about it in the book.
Thanks Brad. My interest is with antique guns. The modern one I have is a deluxe and it was a steal at the price I paid for it.
Brad,
Thanks for the response. I look forward to getting a copy of the book.
Mac
I’ve been tracking the Model 1895 for a few years, and my own little survey of approximately 600 shows the following:
No.6426 – magazine screws on left and right side, seemingly well out of sequence for this. I suspect this one was returned to the factory, as it now wears a barrel chambered for .30-’06; I’d suspect the magazine (as well as a number of other internals) were changed out to make this chambering possible. At the time when this serial SHOULD have been originally completed, the .30-’06 chambering was still almost 10 years in the future.
The next serial I have recorded with both right and left magazine screws in in the 68000 range, chambered for .35 W.C.F., but in my survey this one is a ‘loner’, with the next similar not found for another 4000 serials (and almost two years).
Serials with both screws begin to accumulate in the early 72000 range, but those with only the left side screw still predominating until the mid-85000s. After that, models with only the left screw seem to virtually disappear. Past that range, I have recorded only two serials, No.87716 and No.404895 (both chambered for .30 Gov’t 1903) having only the left side screw.
Jim
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