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August 27, 2014
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MidwestCrisis said
mn79 said
TXGunNut said
Bore looks better than I’d expect for this rifle, I’d want to look into the breech to see if it has been relined. Can’t tell from the muzzle face. Shame about the vise damage, nice looking rifle.
Mike
Thank you Sir for your answer.I really appreciate it.🙂
Tex, I thought this picture looked like it was lined. Looks like a definite edge just inside the bore
twobit said
I would argue, very nicely of course, that the bore has not been relined. Here are several examples of clearly relined Model 1892 barrels. The insert is very clearly visible.Michael
mn79 said
twobit said
I would argue, very nicely of course, that the bore has not been relined. Here are several examples of clearly relined Model 1892 barrels. The insert is very clearly visible.
Michael
Could you please explain?If I understand you correctly,this barrel wasn’t relined,right?Is it good or not?Thank you.
I, too would argue (also very nicely) that the barrel definitely hasn’t been relined
What MidwestCrisis is looking at there is the slight to moderate chamfer at the face of the bore that is one of the tells of an unaltered/un-shortened factory Sporting Rifle barrel. Actually, one wants that chamfer to be there
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Tedk said
MidwestCrisis said
mn79 said
TXGunNut said
Bore looks better than I’d expect for this rifle, I’d want to look into the breech to see if it has been relined. Can’t tell from the muzzle face. Shame about the vise damage, nice looking rifle.
Mike
Thank you Sir for your answer.I really appreciate it.🙂
Tex, I thought this picture looked like it was lined. Looks like a definite edge just inside the bore
twobit said
I would argue, very nicely of course, that the bore has not been relined. Here are several examples of clearly relined Model 1892 barrels. The insert is very clearly visible.
Michael
mn79 said
twobit said
I would argue, very nicely of course, that the bore has not been relined. Here are several examples of clearly relined Model 1892 barrels. The insert is very clearly visible.
Michael
Could you please explain?If I understand you correctly,this barrel wasn’t relined,right?Is it good or not?Thank you.
I, too would argue (also very nicely) that the barrel definitely hasn’t been relined
What MidwestCrisis is looking at there is the slight to moderate chamfer at the face of the bore that is one of the tells of an unaltered/un-shortened factory Sporting Rifle barrel. Actually, one wants that chamfer to be there
I responded to Twobit but this went to a second page pretty quick. I was looking at the chamfer. Good to know it’s supposed to be there. And thanks for the examples of liners
March 20, 2009
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mn79 said
twobit said
I would argue, very nicely of course, that the bore has not been relined. Here are several examples of clearly relined Model 1892 barrels. The insert is very clearly visible.
Michael
Could you please explain?If I understand you correctly,this barrel wasn’t relined,right?Is it good or not?Thank you.
The fact that the bore is original and NOT relined is a positive fact. The asking price is VERY high for a rifle in Europe. I will reply more tomorrow
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November 7, 2015
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MidwestCrisis said
twobit said
I would argue, very nicely of course, that the bore has not been relined. Here are several examples of clearly relined Model 1892 barrels. The insert is very clearly visible.
Michael
Thanks Michael, I obviously didn’t know what I was looking at. What I was thinking the liner was is way too thin compared to your examples.
I’ve had one relined by John Taylor and it is very difficult to tell looking at the muzzle. Some are easier to spot. On mine you may be able to notice a slight difference in color. I can usually spot a liner by pulling the bolt back to look at the breech end.
Mike
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Randy Redman’s reline work is nearly undetectable.
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November 7, 2015
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Bert H. said
Randy Redman’s reline work is nearly undetectable.
I agree. If I recall correctly John used Redman’s liners. Twist rate in my 32WCF is not correct but not something easily noticed. I believe at the time Taylor was a machinist and aerospace contractor but he liked to work on guns.
Mike
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Tedk said
MidwestCrisis said
mn79 said
TXGunNut said
Bore looks better than I’d expect for this rifle, I’d want to look into the breech to see if it has been relined. Can’t tell from the muzzle face. Shame about the vise damage, nice looking rifle.
Mike
Thank you Sir for your answer.I really appreciate it.🙂
Tex, I thought this picture looked like it was lined. Looks like a definite edge just inside the bore
twobit said
I would argue, very nicely of course, that the bore has not been relined. Here are several examples of clearly relined Model 1892 barrels. The insert is very clearly visible.
Michael
mn79 said
twobit said
I would argue, very nicely of course, that the bore has not been relined. Here are several examples of clearly relined Model 1892 barrels. The insert is very clearly visible.
Michael
Could you please explain?If I understand you correctly,this barrel wasn’t relined,right?Is it good or not?Thank you.
I, too would argue (also very nicely) that the barrel definitely hasn’t been relined
What MidwestCrisis is looking at there is the slight to moderate chamfer at the face of the bore that is one of the tells of an unaltered/un-shortened factory Sporting Rifle barrel. Actually, one wants that chamfer to be there
Thank you, Sir
March 23, 2026
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twobit said
mn79 said
twobit said
I would argue, very nicely of course, that the bore has not been relined. Here are several examples of clearly relined Model 1892 barrels. The insert is very clearly visible.
Michael
Could you please explain?If I understand you correctly,this barrel wasn’t relined,right?Is it good or not?Thank you.
The fact that the bore is original and NOT relined is a positive fact. The asking price is VERY high for a rifle in Europe. I will reply more tomorrow
Thank you so very much
March 20, 2009
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mn79 said
Oh Hello form Poland (Witam z Polski)!
Thank you for your answer Sir. That’s very interesting history about this rifle.Well,current price in Poland is ~$3,5k. From what you said,it’s not 100% original,but it’s one of the nicest rifles which I’ve seen in Poland recently.I’m really thinking of buying it. I’m no expert in this field,and just the beginner.That’s why I asked about rifle in this forum.I also know that for you it maybe not very sought after,since it’s not super original,but when I saw it my heart speed up🙃
Also wondering if I could shoot this rifle with modern ammunition?Could you please recommend any?The one which wouldn’t destroy this rifle.
Thank you so very much.
P.S.Serdecznie pozdrawiam Pana z Polski.Niech żyją Stany Zjednoczone Ameryki!
Good morning,
Yes modern ammunition is fine to use in these rifles. IF you can find it. That is often a difficulty here in the U.S. I will use ammunition manufactured by Winchester or Remington. There are also brands that specialize in ammo for “cowboy shooting” that is loaded to about 75% of the typical muzzle velocities.
As I mentioned the $3500 asking price is on the high side based on input from some collectors that I converse with in France. Here is a link to a website there that you might want to take a look at for comparisons. Obviously I have no idea of the difficulty or ease of moving firearms between countries in the EU. https://www.naturabuy.fr/rechercher.php?title=winchester+1892
Michael
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