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An 1894 rifle made 1916 was just obtained that has a number 65 buckhorn rear sight with the double step elevator (elevator slides under the sight with ridges on both sides). Was this sight used in 1916?

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An 1894 rifle made 1916 was just obtained that has a number 65 buckhorn rear sight with the double post elevator (elevator slides under the sight with ridges on both sides). Was this sight used in 1916?  

Very doubtful.

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That was my thought, but a “sight expert” said it was original, and I can not find it’s date of it’s introduction.

 

The rifle also has a tang sight, correct vintage. When tang sights were in place, would people leave the rear sight in place? It seems the rear sight would interfere with the quick use of the peep tang sight.

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That was my thought, but a “sight expert” said it was original, and I can not find it’s date of it’s introduction.

 

The rifle also has a tang sight, correct vintage. When tang sights were in place, would people leave the rear sight in place? It seems the rear sight would interfere with the quick use of the peep tang sight.  

Can you post or send me a picture of the sight?

Yes, a standard barrel mounted rear sight would interfere with a tang sight.  More than likely the tang sight was added after the fact.

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An 1894 rifle made 1916 was just obtained that has a number 65 buckhorn rear sight with the double step elevator (elevator slides under the sight with ridges on both sides). Was this sight used in 1916?  

Even if it was, it’s out of place on a rifle with a tang sight.  You could sidestep the question of its appropriateness by replacing it with a folding #6 Lyman, which was often supplied by the factory when a tang sight was ordered. 

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https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/rifle-65-fullbuckhorn-shortshank-rearsight-prod105984.aspx

 

This sight is shown in the Winchester Book, but with no era of use.  

Definitely not correct for any pre-1920 Model 1894.

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What would be correct for a 1914 serialed with a 20in barrel?

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What would be correct for a 1914 serialed with a 20in barrel?  

Are you asking about a Model 1894 Carbine or a Short Rifle ?

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20 in barrel Model 1894 Sporting Rifle .32ws cal

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20 in barrel Model 1894 Sporting Rifle .32ws cal  

If I’m looking at the right pictures from your link, your gun is a carbine with a rifle buttstock and no saddle ring.  The correct sight would be the ladder sight 44a. 

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If I’m looking at the right pictures from your link, your gun is a carbine with a rifle buttstock and no saddle ring.  The correct sight would be the ladder sight 44a.   

Thank you for the information

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I am unable to find the link to your pictures so I’m going by my take on what I read.  I have a 1918 vintage carbine that came with a Buckhorn rear, tang sight, rifle butt and no saddle ring.  Burt said that Winchester made this model up in batches. It would depend where the dovetail is cut.  RDB

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I am unable to find the link to your pictures so I’m going by my take on what I read.  I have a 1918 vintage carbine that came with a Buck horn rear, tang sight, rifle butt and no saddle ring.  Burt said that Winchester made this model up in batches. It would depend where the dovetail is cut.  RDB

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Different sight. The sight I am referring to has a double step elevator. a step on each side of the sight, not a single elevator in the center of the sight. If you search marbles 65 sight, you will see a picture.

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I understand that you may have a Marbles sight.  Therefore the double step elevator.  The sight on my special carbine is usually found on a rifle, but Winchester produced a fair amount of carbines with rifle sights on them.  For this to be possible the dovetail had to be moved forward, as the rifle sights have a longer base than carbine sights.  Marbles made a carbine length rifle style sight as well as the standard length rifle sight.  The center of rear dovetail on rifle sighted carbine measures 4″ from the receiver.  The center of rear dovetail on the standard sighted carbine measures 2 5/8″ from the front of the receiver.  I hope this helps to clarify what I said.  I added a comparison photo to show what I meant.  RDB

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