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1894 ELW Octagon Deluxe.
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Matt Cox
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Can anyone give me an idea of rarity of this rifle? Has XX checkered H patteren pistol grip stocks, 22” ELW octagon barrel, 2/3 mag tube, and shotgun rubber butt. It is in .30 WCF.

 

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Matt 

That is a fairly scarce combination to find. There are quite a few special order features on this rifle but the three that make it special are:

  1. The ELW octagon barrel by itself. They are far less common than the round or half round ELWs. You would think that the 22″ barrel might be the best feature, but the ELW Oct. is more scarce in any length than the 22″ barrel by itself, which is the most common length found in the short rifles. I hope that made sense…….
  2. The 2/3 magazine. Any special length magazines are good attributes. 
  3. The fact that its not a take-down. Most ELW short rifles are takedowns (approx. 71% in my survey of these rifles)

An interesting gun, for sure. I will add it to my survey. Thanks for sharing. 

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Thanks for the reply Gary! How many ELW’s do you have on the survey and of that how many are octagon?

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Matt

I can sort the file many different ways, but I will give a few data points that might be relevant to you. 

  • of the 440 short rifles in the survey, 146 are ELWs
  • of those, 18 are full octagon
  • of those, 16 are some variation of deluxe
  • of those, 11 are take downs
  • of the 5 that are solid frames, yours is the only one with a 2/3 mag

A few other tid-bits:

  • of the 440 rifles, only 40 have a 2/3 mag
  • of the 146 ELWs, 104 of those are takedowns
  • of the 146 ELWs, 113 are round barrels
  • of the 146 ELWs, 112 are 22″ length
  • of the 146 ELWs, 123 are 30 WCF

Keep in mind, my survey is a pretty small sampling, but I do believe it represents what is floating around in gun shows, collections, and online. This being said, your rifle is the only one with that set of features in my survey. 

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Gary and I are paralleling surveys to some extent.  My survey of Short Rifles only covers the serial numbers that cannot be lettered (those > 353999).  In it, I have (229) Short Rifles, of which (55) are ELWs.  I have built formula tables into my survey document that automatically calculate a number of different statistics… see below.

Variations Qty % of Total   BBl Length Qty % of Total
Rifle 146 63.76%   16″ 6 2.62%
Rifle, Semi-Dlx 15 6.55%   18″ 2 0.87%
Rifle, Fancy 13 5.68%   19″ 2 0.87%
Rifle, ELW 34 14.85%   20″ 84 36.68%
Rifle, ELW Semi-Deluxe 13 5.68%   21″ 1 0.44%
Rifle, ELW Fancy 8 3.49%   22″ 83 36.24%
Total 229 100.00%   24″ 51 22.27%
        Total 229 100.00%
Caliber Qty % of Total        
25-35 WCF 21 9.17%   Mag Length Qty % of Total
30 WCF 130 56.77%   Full 129 56.33%
32-40 10 4.37%   ½ 67 29.26%
32 WS 40 17.47%   30 13.10%
38-55 20 8.73%   ¾ 3 1.31%
30 WCF/38-55 (2-Bbl set) 1 0.44%   Total 229 100.00%
32 WS/38-55 (2-Bbl set) 1 0.44%        
?? (unknown) 6 2.62%        
Total 229 100.00%        

 

Bert

 

p.s. Gary, we need to compare notes again.

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Thanks for the info guys!

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That’s a beautiful and honest rifle! Good find.

Sincerely,

Maverick

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