Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
1894 barrel question.
Avatar
Agent1911
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 26
Member Since:
May 5, 2021
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
April 4, 2024 - 4:31 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

I have a 38-55, according to the serial number, it was made in 1902. The barrel has a 1920s era roll mark. Is it safe to say that the barrel was swapped out at Winchester due to the fact that the barrel and receiver have the WP proof mark?

 

Thanks in Advance. 

Avatar
Bert H.
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 12979
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
April 4, 2024 - 4:28 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

No, it is not safe to say that it was swapped out by Winchester.  Fake Winchester Proof stamp dies are abundant in the hands of those who illicitly create faked Winchesters.

Bert

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Chuck
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5867
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
April 4, 2024 - 5:21 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Someone could have swapped out the barrel.

Avatar
Bert H.
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 12979
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
April 4, 2024 - 5:53 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Chuck said
Someone could have swapped out the barrel.

Not “could have”… somebody did swap the barrel.  The question is “who”.

Bert

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Agent1911
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 26
Member Since:
May 5, 2021
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
April 5, 2024 - 3:36 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Bert H. said

Chuck said

Someone could have swapped out the barrel.

Not “could have”… somebody did swap the barrel.  The question is “who”.

Bert

  

Any way to tell for sure one way or another? It has been in my family since around 1946. My Great Uncle bought it when he got out of the Navy. The barrel was changed prior to that. 

Avatar
Bert H.
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 12979
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
April 5, 2024 - 4:15 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory

Agent1911 said

Bert H. said

Chuck said

Someone could have swapped out the barrel.

Not “could have”… somebody did swap the barrel.  The question is “who”.

Bert

Any way to tell for sure one way or another? It has been in my family since around 1946. My Great Uncle bought it when he got out of the Navy. The barrel was changed prior to that. 

No, there is not a way to positively determine who swapped the barrel.

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Agent1911
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 26
Member Since:
May 5, 2021
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
April 5, 2024 - 10:23 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory

Bert H. said

Agent1911 said

Bert H. said

Chuck said

Someone could have swapped out the barrel.

Not “could have”… somebody did swap the barrel.  The question is “who”.

Bert

Any way to tell for sure one way or another? It has been in my family since around 1946. My Great Uncle bought it when he got out of the Navy. The barrel was changed prior to that. 

No, there is not a way to positively determine who swapped the barrel.

  

Thanks Burt! I presume you mean “No Way.”

Avatar
Steven Gabrielli
LI NY
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 348
Member Since:
August 14, 2021
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
April 5, 2024 - 10:37 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Check the Cody Museum, wouldn’t hurt to see if the rifle can be lettered, might not tell you much more, but if it’s a family heirloom  might be a nice thing to have. Since you did not provide the sn, IDK if it’s letterable.

Avatar
TXGunNut
Northern edge of the D/FW Metromess
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 6458
Member Since:
November 7, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
April 5, 2024 - 12:52 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory

To the astute collector it makes little difference who swapped out the barrel unless Cody records indicate it was done at the factory. Even then, many collectors will feel it decreases the value. A rifle that must be explained is hard to sell. OTOH it’s part of your family’s history and that could  outweigh any collector value.

 

Mike

Life Member TSRA, Endowment Member NRA
BBHC Member, TGCA Board Member
Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe
I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call, Lonesome Dove
Some of my favorite recipes start out with a handful of depleted counterbalance devices.-TXGunNut
Presbyopia be damned, I'm going to shoot this thing! -TXGunNut
Avatar
clarence
NY
Member
Restricted
Forum Posts: 7119
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
April 5, 2024 - 1:15 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

TXGunNut said
To the astute collector it makes little difference who swapped out the barrel unless Cody records indicate it was done at the factory. Even then, many collectors will feel it decreases the value. 

Unfortunately true, the dogmatic & close-minded “many,” who outnumber those capable of appreciating a gun’s history.

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 4623
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 355
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 7119
TXGunNut: 6458
Chuck: 5867
steve004: 5209
1873man: 4703
deerhunter: 2711
Big Larry: 2559
twobit: 2505
mrcvs: 2212
Maverick: 2042
Newest Members:
Ricky Summer
Peter Cipollini
Jhark
Oldtimer52
parkerposy
rayhobbs
WebleyScott
Task1
1886
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 18
Topics: 14809
Posts: 132537

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 2057
Members: 10045
Moderators: 3
Admins: 4
Administrators: Mike Hager, Bert H., JWA, SethJ
Moderators: Rob Kassab, Brad Dunbar, Heather
Navigation