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May 5, 2021
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Hello friends. Stumbled across something unusual recently and wanted some input and possibly a source for a replacement butt pad.
25-20wcf
First one I ever seen in this configuration. Seems to be non-bubba. Any opinions?
Thanks!
April 15, 2005
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Serial number? Based on the configuration, I suspect that it is a 1913 (or later) production special order Carbine. Does it have saddle ring?
Bert
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December 21, 2006
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Is it old enough to letter? Maybe a few more close up pictures etc…..I have a couple similar 1894’s.
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Bert H. said
Serial number? Based on the configuration, I suspect that it is a 1913 (or later) production special order Carbine. Does it have saddle ring?
Bert
931673
Yes it is a SRC.
October 29, 2011
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Made in 1923–Bill
September 22, 2011
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Bert can further elaborate, but I believe, IIRC, fluted combs date to about 1913 to 1915 and so the fluted comb buttstock on this carbine may have been affixed to this mid 1920s receiver at a later date.
March 20, 2009
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Agent1911 said
Hello friends. Stumbled across something unusual recently and wanted some input and possibly a source for a replacement butt pad.
25-20wcf
First one I ever seen in this configuration. Seems to be non-bubba. Any opinions?
Thanks!
What style of butt plate is currently on the rifle? The fluted comb style of butt stock starts showing up on Model 1892 rifles with serialization dates starting in 1912. To date, I have cataloged 96 individual Model 1892 rifles with this style of butt stock. Of those 96 rifles 26 are sporting rifles, 43 are carbines with no sling ring, and 27 are SRC’s. The most unique feature among all samples is the style of magazines lengths. For all configurations, full length magazines account for 24%, 21% are half mags, while the most common magazines length is 2/3 rds at 53%. Only two carbine examples have a 3/4 magazine. The caliber distribution for all examples is as follows: 24% in 25-20 WCF, 22% are 32 WCF, 42% are 38 WCF, and only 11% are 44 WCF caliber.
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April 15, 2005
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mrcvs said
Bert can further elaborate, but I believe, IIRC, fluted combs date to about 1913 to 1915 and so the fluted comb buttstock on this carbine may have been affixed to this mid 1920s receiver at a later date.
Based on current survey results, the Fluted comb butt stocks first appeared in 1911 on the Model 1894, and they continued to be used through 1936. In all cases, the fluted comb stock was fitted with a shotgun style butt plate. The early production specimens are found with a smooth steel, checkered steel, or a hard rubber plate, all of which will have the widow’s peak. At some time in 1914, the widow’s peak was eliminated from the hard rubber and smooth steel butt plates, but continued to be found on the checkered steel butt plates.
It was in the post-WW I years that the serrated steel butt plate began appearing, and through the 1920s and up to the mid 1930s it was the most common shotgun stye butt plate found on the Model 94 (it became the standard butt plate on all Model 94 Carbines in mid-year 1937).
Bert
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Bert H. said
mrcvs said
Bert can further elaborate, but I believe, IIRC, fluted combs date to about 1913 to 1915 and so the fluted comb buttstock on this carbine may have been affixed to this mid 1920s receiver at a later date.
Based on current survey results, the Fluted comb butt stocks first appeared in 1911 on the Model 1894, and they continued to be used through 1936. In all cases, the fluted comb stock was fitted with a shotgun style butt plate. The early production specimens are found with a smooth steel, checkered steel, or a hard rubber plate, all of which will have the widow’s peak. At some time in 1914, the widow’s peak was eliminated from the hard rubber and smooth steel butt plates, but continued to be found on the checkered steel butt plates.
It was in the post-WW I years that the serrated steel butt plate began appearing, and through the 1920s and up to the mid 1930s it was the most common shotgun stye butt plate found on the Model 94 (it became the standard butt plate on all Model 94 Carbines in mid-year 1937).
Bert
Thank you for this, I wasn’t sure if the latest findings. I didn’t recall them being this late. And, of course, this refers to the Model 1894, I didn’t know how similar this data was to Model 1892 production, or not.
July 14, 2016
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Can you get us some further pictures? The upper and lower tang to butt stock fit should be a good indication of Winchester work
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February 6, 2026
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On the subject of fluted comb/ shotgun butts, maybe to help with clarification, I have an original 1892 full length rifle with straight grip, 1/2 mag & checkered steel shotgun butt w/widows peak. It is in the 734,xxx range and definitely does not have a fluted comb.
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218Bee said
On the subject of fluted comb/ shotgun butts, maybe to help with clarification, I have an original 1892 full length rifle with straight grip, 1/2 mag & checkered steel shotgun butt w/widows peak. It is in the 734,xxx range and definitely does not have a fluted comb.
The fluted comb is definitely NOT the standard style of butt stock. The non fluted is more common. What is the full SN and caliber so that I can add your rifle into my research. Every rifle is important in order to answer question with accuracy.
Michael
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931673–he listed it..Bill
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218Bee said
On the subject of fluted comb/ shotgun butts, maybe to help with clarification, I have an original 1892 full length rifle with straight grip, 1/2 mag & checkered steel shotgun butt w/widows peak. It is in the 734,xxx range and definitely does not have a fluted comb.
That makes it a November 1913 production gun. While I cannot speak definitively concerning the Model 1892, the year 1913 was a transitional period for the model 1894 in regard to the use of the fluted comb butt stocks. By the year 1914, more than 90% of all Model 1894s that were special ordered with a Shotgun Butt had a fluted comb stock.
Bert
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May 5, 2021
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It is a hard rubber butt plate without Widows peak. Im thinking early 20s. Stock has excellent fit. It is a SRC but it is missing the ring. It is chambered in 25-20WCF.
Seems like a unique configuration. I will eventually get it lettered but I feel most confident that it is all original. I’ve included more pics.
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twobit said
Agent1911 said
Hello friends. Stumbled across something unusual recently and wanted some input and possibly a source for a replacement butt pad.
25-20wcf
First one I ever seen in this configuration. Seems to be non-bubba. Any opinions?
Thanks!
What style of butt plate is currently on the rifle? The fluted comb style of butt stock starts showing up on Model 1892 rifles with serialization dates starting in 1912. To date, I have cataloged 96 individual Model 1892 rifles with this style of butt stock. Of those 96 rifles 26 are sporting rifles, 43 are carbines with no sling ring, and 27 are SRC’s. The most unique feature among all samples is the style of magazines lengths. For all configurations, full length magazines account for 24%, 21% are half mags, while the most common magazines length is 2/3 rds at 53%. Only two carbine examples have a 3/4 magazine. The caliber distribution for all examples is as follows: 24% in 25-20 WCF, 22% are 32 WCF, 42% are 38 WCF, and only 11% are 44 WCF caliber.
Thanks for that information Twobit!
How many of the 96 1892s in your catalog with that style of butt stock are SRC with 2/3 mag chambered in 25-20WCF?
September 22, 2011
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Agent1911 said
It is a hard rubber butt plate without Widows peak. Im thinking early 20s. Stock has excellent fit. It is a SRC but it is missing the ring. It is chambered in 25-20WCF.
Seems like a unique configuration. I will eventually get it lettered but I feel most confident that it is all original. I’ve included more pics.
It’s too late in production to letter.
July 14, 2016
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Show us the lower tang. You cannot get a letter showing its configuration, ony serial number date
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April 1, 2005
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This one is pretty unique with the rifle butt, capped pistol grip, full magazine and in great original condition.
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mrcvs said
Agent1911 said
It is a hard rubber butt plate without Widows peak. Im thinking early 20s. Stock has excellent fit. It is a SRC but it is missing the ring. It is chambered in 25-20WCF.
Seems like a unique configuration. I will eventually get it lettered but I feel most confident that it is all original. I’ve included more pics.
It’s too late in production to letter.
Ok. I wasn’t sure what the cutoff date was. I have a 92 Rifle in 38WCF that came back as unknown configuration but the serial number was recorded 1906 I think.
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