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October 27, 2012
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I looked at a 92 deluxe rifle yesterday 44 caliber serial number 941xx with a factory letter said received in warehouse on november 19 1902 shipped from warehouse on nov 20 1902 . Madis book showes 1895 did a internet serial number search said 1898 i know Madis numbers are off a few years . Where was this resiver been hidding for four years
September 22, 2011
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James Fenderson said
I looked at a 92 deluxe rifle yesterday 44 caliber serial number 941xx with a factory letter said received in warehouse on november 19 1902 shipped from warehouse on nov 20 1902 . Madis book showes 1895 did a internet serial number search said 1898 i know Madis numbers are off a few years . Where was this resiver been hidding for four years
This isn’t all that uncommon. My understanding is that receivers were made in batches, generally first in, first out, but, on occasion, a batch would not have been completely exhausted, a few left over from time to time, these residuals could remain until all receivers were utilized, this sometimes being years later.
April 15, 2005
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James,
The Madis published DOM information is grossly erroneous for several different models (notably the Single Shot, 1892, and 1894). Model 1892 serial numbers 94100 – 94199 were all manufactured in May 1898.
Because Winchester did not use a “first in, first out” assembly process, it is entirely possible to find older serialized receiver frames that were not fully assembled and sent to the warehouse for several years. The receiver frame in question undoubtedly sat in the bottom of a parts bin/rack for several years before it was eventually used to assemble a rifle.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
March 31, 2009
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Bert is correct. The 1897 shotguns are another gun Madis messed up the manufacturing dates. Way more antiques than he says.
October 27, 2012
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Didn’t realize they serial the receiver after they where batched thought where serial when the built the gun
April 15, 2005
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James Fenderson said
Didn’t realize they serial the receiver after they where batched thought where serial when the built the gun
The receiver frames were serialized after all milling operations were complete and the rough polishing. After serialization, they were final polished and then sent to the bluing room. After bluing (and oiling), they were placed in bins and sent to the assembly room.
Bert
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September 22, 2011
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James Fenderson said
I looked at a 92 deluxe rifle yesterday 44 caliber serial number 941xx with a factory letter said received in warehouse on november 19 1902 shipped from warehouse on nov 20 1902 . Madis book showes 1895 did a internet serial number search said 1898 i know Madis numbers are off a few years . Where was this resiver been hidding for four years
This isn’t all that uncommon. My understanding is that receivers were made in batches, generally first in, first out, but, on occasion, a batch would not have been completely exhausted, a few left over from time to time, these residuals could remain until all receivers were utilized, this sometimes being years later.
Read Bert’s answer in post 3. He said it better than I.
March 20, 2009
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James Fenderson said
I looked at a 92 deluxe rifle yesterday 44 caliber serial number 941xx with a factory letter said received in warehouse on november 19 1902 shipped from warehouse on nov 20 1902 . Madis book showes 1895 did a internet serial number search said 1898 i know Madis numbers are off a few years . Where was this resiver been hidding for four years
Hello James,
I have looked at the the production ledgers for the first 288,000 Model 1892’s that were manufactured. It is not uncommon to find discreet batches of semi deluxe and deluxe rifles that were not entered into the warehouse until more than a year after the receivers were serialized. I know that the serialization date is supposedly the “Date of Manufacture” but in these cases the fully assembled rifles (manufactured) did not occur until years afterwards. It is my feeling that these receivers were of a slightly higher quality than what might be typical and were set aside for use in special order or deluxe rifles. I have no direct proof of that but there is a fairly strong correlation between these “delayed receivers” and the use on deluxe rifles.
Were the stocks checkered on the rifle that you looked at? What was the shape of the barrel?
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
April 15, 2005
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twobit said
Hello James,
I have looked at the production ledgers for the first 288,000 Model 1892’s that were manufactured. It is not uncommon to find discreet batches of semi deluxe and deluxe rifles that were not entered into the warehouse until more than a year after the receivers were serialized. I know that the serialization date is supposedly the “Date of Manufacture” but in these cases the fully assembled rifles (manufactured) did not occur until years afterwards. It is my feeling that these receivers were of a slightly higher quality than what might be typical and were set aside for use in special order or deluxe rifles. I have no direct proof of that but there is a fairly strong correlation between these “delayed receivers” and the use on deluxe rifles.
Were the stocks checkered on the rifle that you looked at? What was the shape of the barrel?
Michael
I have a similar but slightly different theory… Specifically, I have long suspected that Winchester’s production foreman occasionally requested small batches of receiver frames to be given extra care in the polishing and finishing process and then to be set aside for assembling the Fancy Sporting Rifles. If there is any validity to my theory, that could explain the sometimes long interval between the serialization process and the eventual assembly process.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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