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July 22, 2018
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Off on another wild goose chase. Any input will be welcome.
Have accumulated several 1892 variation survivors out of an estate Am still sorting out a way to describe what I actually have.
NUMBER ONE: I think serial #1006031 is a legitimate model 65 in 32 WCF with the properly marked 22 inch barrel , 2/3 length mag.
Looks like the correct PG stock and forearm. Metal model 70 type buttplate
the reciever upper tang has NO rollmarks — it is smooth except for what appears to be “normal” factory accommodation for the tang mounted peep sight.
AND the bolt is machined properly for the bolt peep
This one appears to be very near the end of the 65 production and probably a parts cleanup candidate. Chime in with any comments I appreciate the experience you all have. PH
NUMBER TWO: serial #648428 1892 in 32WCF 24 inch full octagon with Button mag— fairly straightforward and normal.
NUMBER THREE is a sad victim—1892 serial #404730 a compilation of pieces and parts that make us question why any one would do such a thing. Johnny Cash sang about it — “One piece at a time”
The best part is it does have a properly marked 24 inch model 65 218 Bee barrel in VGC. Marked 40 on the underside. Button mag
The reciever was originally a SRC and still has the staple attached. Has several extra scope mount holes. Looks like the tang has been altered to pistol grip and the finger lever appears to have been “custom”. bent to match. Probably a part/out and salvage candidate.
April 15, 2005
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Paul H said
Off on another wild goose chase. Any input will be welcome.Have accumulated several 1892 variation survivors out of an estate Am still sorting out a way to describe what I actually have.
NUMBER ONE: I think serial #1006031 is a legitimate model 65 in 32 WCF with the properly marked 22 inch barrel , 2/3 length mag.
Looks like the correct PG stock and forearm. Metal model 70 type buttplate
the reciever upper tang has NO rollmarks — it is smooth except for what appears to be “normal” factory accommodation for the tang mounted peep sight.
AND the bolt is machined properly for the bolt peep
This one appears to be very near the end of the 65 production and probably a parts cleanup candidate. Chime in with any comments I appreciate the experience you all have. PH
Paul,
The rifle you describe is a Frankenchester. It was a standard production rifle manufactured in the year 1941 (not a parts clean-up). The upper tang should have a Type-6 marking on it, and the bolt should not be milled & tapped for a No. 98C peep sight. In your shoes, I would remove the forend stock and magazine tube to verify the barrel date. That will give us an idea if the barrel is original to the receiver and it has a replacement bolt, or if the barrel is a replacement and the rifle was originally a 218 Bee.
Bert
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July 22, 2018
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Bert
The barrel has a 39 closest to the reciever —-A triangle then the 32 WCF
2/3 mag with the slot and thru bolt on the magazine cap
PH
April 15, 2005
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Paul H said
BertThe barrel has a 39 closest to the reciever —-A triangle then the 32 WCF
2/3 mag with the slot and thru bolt on the magazine cap
PH
Based on other 32 WCF Model 65 rifles in my survey, the “39” barrel date is consistent with the serial number. Therefore, I suspect that the rifle was refinished and the bolt swapped.
Bert
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July 22, 2018
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April 15, 2005
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Paul H said
Pics
Can you post a clear picture of the upper tang area?
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July 22, 2018
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Bert—-Fairly “light” refinish—little sign of sanding or polishing. PH
July 22, 2018
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Another question I should know the answer to. Can you easily exchange Buttstocks from a 64 to a 65—-like you can from a 92 to a 94??
Or ? Are the tang areas the same dimension on the model 65 and 64s??
PH
April 15, 2005
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Paul H said
I see very noticeable sights of the polishing & rebluing of the receiver frame, and sanding & refinishing on the butt stock.
The attached pictures show the left and right sides of the receiver frame, and the fit of the butt stock. Take note that the screw heads are not flattened (by a buffer) and how tightly the butt stock adjoins the receiver frame and upper tang.
Bert
Model 65 s/n 1005329
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April 15, 2005
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Paul H said
Another question I should know the answer to. Can you easily exchange Buttstocks from a 64 to a 65—-like you can from a 92 to a 94??Or ? Are the tang areas the same dimension on the model 65 and 64s??
PH
Yes to both questions.
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March 20, 2009
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Paul H said
Off on another wild goose chase. Any input will be welcome.Have accumulated several 1892 variation survivors out of an estate Am still sorting out a way to describe what I actually have.
NUMBER ONE: I think serial #1006031 is a legitimate model 65 in 32 WCF with the properly marked 22 inch barrel , 2/3 length mag.
Looks like the correct PG stock and forearm. Metal model 70 type buttplate
the reciever upper tang has NO rollmarks — it is smooth except for what appears to be “normal” factory accommodation for the tang mounted peep sight.
AND the bolt is machined properly for the bolt peep
This one appears to be very near the end of the 65 production and probably a parts cleanup candidate. Chime in with any comments I appreciate the experience you all have. PH
NUMBER TWO: serial #648428 1892 in 32WCF 24 inch full octagon with Button mag— fairly straightforward and normal.
NUMBER THREE is a sad victim—1892 serial #404730 a compilation of pieces and parts that make us question why any one would do such a thing. Johnny Cash sang about it — “One piece at a time”
The best part is it does have a properly marked 24 inch model 65 218 Bee barrel in VGC. Marked 40 on the underside. Button mag
The reciever was originally a SRC and still has the staple attached. Has several extra scope mount holes. Looks like the tang has been altered to pistol grip and the finger lever appears to have been “custom”. bent to match. Probably a part/out and salvage candidate.
Good morning,
Can you please post several photos of the #2 rifle so that I can add it into my survey?
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
July 22, 2018
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Hey Michael here are some pics of #648428—32WCF 
A dozen marginal pictures. Rescued this one and several others out of a local estate. Thanks PH
March 20, 2009
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Paul H said
Hey Michael here are some pics of #648428—32WCF
Thanks so much Paul. I have seen many a worse refinish job! I appreciate the help.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
